historicist
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by not using the optical viewfinder when the zoom lens is on the camera 😉
It's official, it is goin to be a digital Pen
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Micky D
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no optical viewfinder, just a clip on, which any of us could have done anyway
oh, and I like this panda version I put together real fast
Nice job here Avotius, though I would like to see it in someone's hand to get an idea of the size.
My fear is that it might be too small.😕
I guess about 12 hours until the cat is formally let out of the bag?
Pickett Wilson
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I'm guessing the lock on the zoom locks it for macro.
Avotius
Some guy
should be obvious right? The finder is on the camera...the fixed focal length is on the camera....the finder is made to work withe the fixed lens not the zoom. The zoom lens on the other hand I do see a problem, if I take my GRD here and hold it up then extend the lens and make the motions on it while holding the camera up as if I were rotating the zoom ring on a lens....it feels cramped and uncomfortable and all in all weird.
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morgan
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I think the beige looks kinda cool, but I think I prefer the silver. Personally, I'm holding out for safari limited edition. 🙂
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Micky D
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I don't know about you guys, but to me, that white top makes it look like a fridge or a dishwasher.😕
tritiated
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If it shoots with a quick click, I might buy one. although probably not to put rangefinder lenses on. By the by I like their E410 with the pancake 25mm.
My knowledge of the digicam market is limited, but would this likely to be aiming at the region of such models as the Canon G10 and Ricoh GRD?
My knowledge of the digicam market is limited, but would this likely to be aiming at the region of such models as the Canon G10 and Ricoh GRD?
Avotius
Some guy
Avotius
Some guy
I am not really sure where they are aiming this camera, but I know where it will go in my camera bag, right where my Ricoh GRD is and though I dont expect it to render black and white nearly as nice as my GRD (but really which newer digital camera does?) but since it defies belief that my GRD still works I will have one the moment my beloved Ricoh dies for good. I know many pro photographers carry around a point and shoot like a GRD or GX200, LX3, G10 etc etc etc and the idea of DSLR quality in roughly the same size package will be compelling enough for them to have one too.
Ronald_H
Don't call me Ron
Yes, it is obvious, but still I wonder if they have made something that would work with a zoom lens. An optical zoom system probably wouldn't work well (or fit even), but how about projected or superimposed framelines that actually move?
I'm no expert on LCD screens, but would it be possible to place an LCD in the optical path to have moving framelines when zooming? The lens communicates the focal length to the camera after all. Pure speculation, but given the revolutionary nature of this camera, why not? Before this picture even leaked people were screaming bloody murder that Olympus overlooked optical finders. There is no pleasing some people.
If they actually will implement a zoom finder, people will complain it is not a coupled rangefinder, if they add that they will complain about the baselength, if they fix that, they will complain that the finder isn't as bright as a Leica, by which time I would suggest an M8. This is not an M8. not should it be treated as such.
Spoks
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A totally unsexy camera. The only advantage I can see is that it might take M-lenses.
Al Patterson
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Yeah the lack of a viewfinder is troubling. This is just the first of a new line of cameras. That's what so great about markets. if we don't like the EP1, we can either wait for the EP2 or see what Panasonic comes up with.
BillBingham2
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I'm very happy with the clipon. Besides it's very early, still lots of time to show a EVF or two.
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hogehoge
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Honestly I prefer the original concept design over this one...
johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
Like Avotius found out, it's impractical to focus a zoom lens on any camera with arms stretched.
With any kind of finder, you would have both one hand and your forehead to stabilise the camera while focussing, instead of just one hand now.
I love the design, but will probably buy myself a 1966 Olympus Pen FT, with several lenses to be had I feel I will have a field day when shooting it, while not having to heave a big bag around either. I'm scanning film already, so that won't be much of an additional effort either.
Once they release an update that contains one of those EVF's, I might bite.
With any kind of finder, you would have both one hand and your forehead to stabilise the camera while focussing, instead of just one hand now.
I love the design, but will probably buy myself a 1966 Olympus Pen FT, with several lenses to be had I feel I will have a field day when shooting it, while not having to heave a big bag around either. I'm scanning film already, so that won't be much of an additional effort either.
Once they release an update that contains one of those EVF's, I might bite.
George S.
How many is enough?
Who says this is the real thing and not a photoshop trick? There's no way you'd need a lens lock on this lens. Lens locks are for big, heavy, zooms that exhibit zoom creep when on level or pointed downward. No way you'd need it on this lens.
Avotius
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actually there is a solution to this, I first saw this in a Nikon DSLR that I was looking through and was shocked by how many focus points there were and how it completly disrupted the view of the finder. The technology is here and has been for a very long time: liquid crystal displays like the ones you see on those neat see through digital clocks. The nikon had the focusing spots on a small screen that was a transparent liquid crystal display with just black boxes for each focus point, in camera you could shut them all of but the center one and then have an unobstructed view. I seem to remember fuji did this with one of their rangefinders where the frame lines were a similar technology that would change position and size in the finder based on where the lens was focused.
A clip on optical finder may be too small for that kind of arrangement but if ricoh can pipe image and camera data through the flash hot shoe I dont see why something simple like focus points or something like that with liquid crystal points could not be done.
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