gb hill
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40 year old guy on a train taking a photo. Sounds to me like this could be any RFF member enjoying their love of photography. This law is discrimination against men IMO.
Japan: Man arrested for taking "normal" picture of woman in train ....
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40 year old guy on a train taking a photo. Sounds to me like this could be any RFF member enjoying their love of photography. This law is discrimination against men IMO.
DNG
Film Friendly
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Every person looking at woman in public must be arrested in Japan!
Because taking picture by eyes and taking picture by camera has no difference by how woman feels about it.
One of the reasons why females wear Ninja style outfits in some other countries.
All looks the same and nothing to look at!
Because taking picture by eyes and taking picture by camera has no difference by how woman feels about it.
One of the reasons why females wear Ninja style outfits in some other countries.
All looks the same and nothing to look at!
YYV_146
Well-known
I'm not concerned. I look a few years younger than I am. But I will make sure I dress like an idiotic tourist the next time I'm in Tokyo 😀
NY_Dan
Well-known
I shot these on the NYC trains! Booyah! USA! USA! USA!
Maiku
Maiku
Blah, blah, blah! Give it a rest. Every country has idiotic laws. The Japanese law is no more draconian than government agencies in other countries forcing companies to hand over private information or eavesdropping on telephone calls without a warrant.
tunalegs
Pretended Artist
I had heard that in Japan it is illegal to photograph a person without consent. But it is ok to photograph groups of people without consent.
I don't know the accuracy of that claim, but if it is true, taking a photo of a person sitting next to you on a train without their consent would seem to violate it, "anti-nuisance" law or not.
I don't know the accuracy of that claim, but if it is true, taking a photo of a person sitting next to you on a train without their consent would seem to violate it, "anti-nuisance" law or not.
Pablito
coco frío
Not sure if this is sarcastic, but there are anti-photography laws in Germany
Hmmm interesting case indeed, although the linked article does not appear to be correct in stating that the nuisance law is to protect the safety and well being of women. I might have missed it, but after a quick read through the actual law in question I didn't see any language that makes it gender specific.
https://www.police.pref.kanagawa.jp/pdf/d0090_01.pdf
kiss-o-matic
Well-known
Umm... sorry, but they are. Beauracracy sucks everywhere. It's just worse in Japan. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. Japan is almost entirely impotent to change. Hence, they're starting (and will likely finish) decade 3 of stagnation.
No, it is definitely not illegal. The only law on the books regarding photography is Right to Likeness (肖像権/Shouzouken). However, there is a concept in Japan known as "wa" which translates to harmony. Basically it is the police (and lawyers) job to keep the wa of society. So even if you're not breaking a law (but being a pain in the ass) you will get a talking to by the police, and often be told to stop what you are doing if it looks like you might disrupt the public. (I was told recently by a policeman to "not take pictures of people" when he thought I was photographing a man sleeping on the street w/ his hand down his pants. For the record, I was only using him as the background). You will unlikely be arrested in these scenarios. If you are though, there's a good chance your life is over. You'll be held for 23 days without charge.
You can Google around for horror stories of people that have had the unfortunate experience of being incarcerated. Your lawyer does not have your best interest at heart. He has societies best interest at heart (eg. wa). Seriously... the place is in the 1950's in a lot of ways. It was a huge factor for me when deciding to repatriate to the land of guns very recently. (I will update my Location in my profile once I find a home). 😉
Indeed, I don't see that. And the only thing regarding filming incorporates the term (lit.) "whet one's sexual curiosity". Honestly, without doing something upskirt or otherwise pervy, I don't see how any normal country could arrest someone these grounds. This is Japan though. Also, it appears to be a Kanagawa ordinance, which would exempt me for the most part. Not sure how often you get out of Yokohama to shoot, Jonmanjiro, but perhaps it's time to embrace the madness of Tokyo. 😉
For LOLS... the next item that list prohibits passing out "nuisance flyers". Good thing nobody does that! :-/
Maiku
Maiku
kiss-o-matic,
I dealt with Japanese bureaucracy for 7-years. Sure it was slow, but Canada's is just a bad. Canada's just make changes faster without thinking the consequences through which leads to worse service.
What stagnation? It is a myth. I am firm believer in Eamonn Fingleton argument that " that when one measures the success of the Japanese economy by standard of living and other types of economic indicators such as the strength of the yen and Japan’s trade surplus, a very different picture of Japan emerges."
or as Kel Kelly puts it
Despite conventional opinion, Japan's economy has not been stagnant; it has in fact been growing in real terms — although not in monetary terms. The crucial point is that monetary changes do not necessarily reflect real changes. Japan's GDP growth has been slow because money-supply growth has been slow; it is mainly money growth which drives GDP numbers. Therefore, going forward, we must try to observe real economic growth — the production of real goods and services — instead of just GDP. Seeing things in the correct light allows us to recoup Japan's lost decades, which weren't really lost."
Every country is ass backwards! No one is better than another. You learn to live with it.
I dealt with Japanese bureaucracy for 7-years. Sure it was slow, but Canada's is just a bad. Canada's just make changes faster without thinking the consequences through which leads to worse service.
What stagnation? It is a myth. I am firm believer in Eamonn Fingleton argument that " that when one measures the success of the Japanese economy by standard of living and other types of economic indicators such as the strength of the yen and Japan’s trade surplus, a very different picture of Japan emerges."
or as Kel Kelly puts it
Despite conventional opinion, Japan's economy has not been stagnant; it has in fact been growing in real terms — although not in monetary terms. The crucial point is that monetary changes do not necessarily reflect real changes. Japan's GDP growth has been slow because money-supply growth has been slow; it is mainly money growth which drives GDP numbers. Therefore, going forward, we must try to observe real economic growth — the production of real goods and services — instead of just GDP. Seeing things in the correct light allows us to recoup Japan's lost decades, which weren't really lost."
Every country is ass backwards! No one is better than another. You learn to live with it.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
It's such a one sided equation. You only have to look through our gallery to see a number of candid shots of females taken by male shooters on an almost daily basis. It doesn't appear to work the other way way around though ... how many candids, innapropriate or otherwise, do you see of males taken by females on the internet ... bugger all!
Women are still being sexually objectified on a daily basis for male amusement through charming sites like 'upskirt' and there appears to be no end to it. People, males in particular, have brought this on themselves.
Have a look at this youtube clip of a TV ad and tell me what you see that counters my theories ... twenty million views! LINK
Women are still being sexually objectified on a daily basis for male amusement through charming sites like 'upskirt' and there appears to be no end to it. People, males in particular, have brought this on themselves.
Have a look at this youtube clip of a TV ad and tell me what you see that counters my theories ... twenty million views! LINK
Well, it looks to me like the 東京都 ordinance is pretty much identical. Not much point in embracing the madness of Tokyo then 😉
fireblade
Vincenzo.
Well, Japan is about to invest, from one superannuation fund, 56 billion dollars and 20 of that is headed for Australia, furthermore Japan has commenced a 300 million dollar bridge project in Nadi, Fiji.....and i know of more which will be announced soon.
Stagnation is relative.
xxloverxx
Shoot.
I always found it weird that the two countries best known for their cameras (Japan and Germany) also happen to have some pretty…annoying would be a massive understatement…laws.
I've been to Osaka and Tokyo a few times though, with no problems. I've definitely had more issues in Paris.
I've been to Osaka and Tokyo a few times though, with no problems. I've definitely had more issues in Paris.
Frontman
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Japan is one of the strangest places you'll ever visit. Casinos are illegal, but pachinko and slot machine games can be found in every city. You win trinkets in the palo which you exchange for cash at small shops owned by the parlors.
Organized crime is tacitly allowed to exist. If you are a bank or other company, you can be punished for doing business with gangsters, though there is no specific law prohibiting this. On the other hand, police rarely interfere with the gambling, prostitution, and loansharking activities of gangsters.
Price-fixing is illegal in Japan, yet almost every business and industry in Japan engages in the practice. A movie ticket costs the outrageous $18 in every single theater in Japan, regardless of the owner.
Laws in Japan can be vague or clear, but they are very selectively enforced. Japanese judges begin their judgeships as soon as they finish law school, not additional experience is rehired. It is quite likely this case will be appealed, quite a few judgments are overturned here every year.
Organized crime is tacitly allowed to exist. If you are a bank or other company, you can be punished for doing business with gangsters, though there is no specific law prohibiting this. On the other hand, police rarely interfere with the gambling, prostitution, and loansharking activities of gangsters.
Price-fixing is illegal in Japan, yet almost every business and industry in Japan engages in the practice. A movie ticket costs the outrageous $18 in every single theater in Japan, regardless of the owner.
Laws in Japan can be vague or clear, but they are very selectively enforced. Japanese judges begin their judgeships as soon as they finish law school, not additional experience is rehired. It is quite likely this case will be appealed, quite a few judgments are overturned here every year.
Addy101
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Well, you showed an example that proofs your point, this is one to counter your point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1bsFn0F5vI
I know, it is an older one, but it was the one I thought 'bout immediately. I'm not saying that men are objectified as often as women, but they are as well.
You're making it one sided and to be honest, it has nothing to do with the question at hand. The question is whether or not this guy did something wrong. If he made an inappropriate picture, with either a woman or a man, I think it is right he got into problems. The fact that the woman was female is inconsequential imho.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
It does have something to do with the question in hand for me though because I believe that these types of events are an over reaction to what appears to be fairly harmless activity. I also believe it's at the core of the over zealous defense of young females and children alike from people who are perceived incorrectly as predatory because they choose to use a camera in public places.
noisycheese
Normal(ish) Human
Idiots
Idiots
This sucks; I really wanted to travel to Japan and photograph there. Now I can see no reason to go.
Why would I - or ANY photographer - spend thousands of dollars to travel to Japan, only to run the risk of being arrested and thrown in jail in a foreign country and have my cameras and lenses confiscated for doing what I went there to do in the first place??
No, thanks.
I will find places other than Japan in which to spend my thousands of "Ugly American" travel dollars.
Good work, Japanese lawmakers: You are cutting your own throats in terms of tourism. Idiots.
Idiots
And/or discrimination against photographers.
This sucks; I really wanted to travel to Japan and photograph there. Now I can see no reason to go.
Why would I - or ANY photographer - spend thousands of dollars to travel to Japan, only to run the risk of being arrested and thrown in jail in a foreign country and have my cameras and lenses confiscated for doing what I went there to do in the first place??
No, thanks.
I will find places other than Japan in which to spend my thousands of "Ugly American" travel dollars.
Good work, Japanese lawmakers: You are cutting your own throats in terms of tourism. Idiots.
doubleimage
doubleimage
hello really nice photos
can you pls explain what this woman is dressing? she is going in underground with just slip ?and also the other photos are all people with slips? its new fashion?
can you pls explain what this woman is dressing? she is going in underground with just slip ?and also the other photos are all people with slips? its new fashion?
I shot these on the NYC trains! Booyah! USA! USA! USA!
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