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John said:
Funny, I saw him on apug yesterday 😀
Killing Bill
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Funny, I saw him on apug yesterday 😀
lmd91343
There's my Proctor-Silex!
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Willie,
I do agree with you.
I've spent a bit of time trying to figure out how to respond in fairness about Bill, or even if I should. None of us are perfect. We all have feelings and can lose our temper. I did so once in response to Bill, calling him on what he wrote about me in public. I believe that kindness is the most important virtue. It is greater than all the other human virtues. When I was younger, it was important for me to prove how smart I was. Now the most important thing is how to be as kind as possible.
Bill on two occasions wrote horrible insults directed personally at me. I've ignored him since. I did not contact any moderator, but I should have. That is not taking offence at his opinion but rather at actions, his behavior.
Don't put Bill or anyone on a pedestal. He may be bright and a good writer, but those things are easily replaced, human feelings not so. We are a human community; we have not and should not fall into a “pissing contest” to see who is the best, fastest, or most knowledgeable writer. There is NOTHING that has been posted on this forum, that I have not known or seen elsewhere in a book or magazine. Those tidbits about filters, formulas, and facts may now take an extra day or two to surface from one of the older and more experienced forum members. Such increased participation by other members may increase the community feel and value. I don’t want to be in a forum where I have the feeling that I may be ambushed by someone after a post. A community should be comfortable, not fearful. There are always kind and polite ways to express a thought or opinion.
The question we need to ask ourselves is if we want this forum to be a comfortable community, where one can learn or express oneself OR a training ground where we can sharpen our words, show how smart we are, and learn somethings photographic. This being an internet forum, we will always be faced with that question.
-Lance
willie_901 said:
Willie,
I do agree with you.
I've spent a bit of time trying to figure out how to respond in fairness about Bill, or even if I should. None of us are perfect. We all have feelings and can lose our temper. I did so once in response to Bill, calling him on what he wrote about me in public. I believe that kindness is the most important virtue. It is greater than all the other human virtues. When I was younger, it was important for me to prove how smart I was. Now the most important thing is how to be as kind as possible.
Bill on two occasions wrote horrible insults directed personally at me. I've ignored him since. I did not contact any moderator, but I should have. That is not taking offence at his opinion but rather at actions, his behavior.
Don't put Bill or anyone on a pedestal. He may be bright and a good writer, but those things are easily replaced, human feelings not so. We are a human community; we have not and should not fall into a “pissing contest” to see who is the best, fastest, or most knowledgeable writer. There is NOTHING that has been posted on this forum, that I have not known or seen elsewhere in a book or magazine. Those tidbits about filters, formulas, and facts may now take an extra day or two to surface from one of the older and more experienced forum members. Such increased participation by other members may increase the community feel and value. I don’t want to be in a forum where I have the feeling that I may be ambushed by someone after a post. A community should be comfortable, not fearful. There are always kind and polite ways to express a thought or opinion.
The question we need to ask ourselves is if we want this forum to be a comfortable community, where one can learn or express oneself OR a training ground where we can sharpen our words, show how smart we are, and learn somethings photographic. This being an internet forum, we will always be faced with that question.
-Lance
telenous
Well-known
Brian Sweeny is IMO the greater loss for the RFF company of friends. His knowledge, enthusiasm and respect for the newbee is what welcomed many of us here.
I enjoyed the posts of the other notable RFF members that have now left. But I understand why some may have been ticked off by their posts. Bill Mattock in particular was valuable much for the reasons already mentioned. But I felt that as of late his loathing for his own photography extended somewhat to (the photography) of some of the other members here. Strictly speaking RFF is not a support group for niche photographers but it often operates like one. BM hated that; others didn't.
I enjoyed the posts of the other notable RFF members that have now left. But I understand why some may have been ticked off by their posts. Bill Mattock in particular was valuable much for the reasons already mentioned. But I felt that as of late his loathing for his own photography extended somewhat to (the photography) of some of the other members here. Strictly speaking RFF is not a support group for niche photographers but it often operates like one. BM hated that; others didn't.
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Todd.Hanz
Guest
willie_901 said:
Bill was one of the original members here and a great guy with loads of insight, hope he comes back.
todd
Dfndr90
Member
Since I am new to the forum, I have felt that I should let this sleeping dog lie, but alas here I am. I tender these comments as a someone on the outside looking in and trying to decide if I want to donate my money to the forum, or just lurk. so here it is. 1. I really love the work by the people on this forum, it is quite inspiring and makes me want to shoot more pictures. I have submitted my first photos for critique and have only had one response so far. Good comments, but I know there are more out there. 2. At the same time I have seen about a hundred comments about deleted threads and Bill push my thread to the bottom of the list on the RFF homepage. So, I am here for inspiration and critiques, but instead I get the readers digest edition of a high school yearbook on signing day. I think we all need to respect each other, but at the same time the moderators should not have to be the United nations of forum decor. People need to have a little thicker skin and realize this is just the I quess every time I am about to take that step forward and upgrade my membership, I take two steps back and wonder if it is worth it.
Matt...
Matt...
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zuikologist
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greyhoundman said:
Couldn't agree more. Let's move on.
Solinar
Analog Preferred
Kim, I won't put Bill on a pedestal. I agree that he had the knack of being the bull in the proverbial china shop and in fact enjoyed being the center of attention. I've had a couple of disagreements with him myself .
For many, and this may pertain to Bill, RF photography only holds their interest for a limited time and then they move onto a different phase. In short, Bill's best RF days may be behind him.
One last observation, those roguish, independent thinkers may be a moderators PIA, but they do make life interesting.
For many, and this may pertain to Bill, RF photography only holds their interest for a limited time and then they move onto a different phase. In short, Bill's best RF days may be behind him.
One last observation, those roguish, independent thinkers may be a moderators PIA, but they do make life interesting.
Solinar
Analog Preferred
greyhoundman said:
That sounds like excellent advice.
Gid
Well-known
Andy,
I have to say that i miss your exchanges with Bill. Knowledge, strong opinions and a flair for the english language can often be extremely amusing as well as informative. It would be a dull place if we all agreed all of the time.
I have to say that i miss your exchanges with Bill. Knowledge, strong opinions and a flair for the english language can often be extremely amusing as well as informative. It would be a dull place if we all agreed all of the time.
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zuikologist
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Solinar said:
OMG - I recall Bill had 300+ RF cameras. What do you do with those when you lose interest.........
SCOTFORTHLAD
Slow learner,but keen!
In my 'umble opinion we should leave this topic behind us.It is taking up,and wasting, too much space and energy, for no purpose.
Brian.
Brian.
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ruben
Guest
Perhaps the most interesting thing for me flowing from this thread so far, is how different human behaviour can be seen from different viewpoints and different personal experiences. After all this is not so surprising and nevertheless it is.
This calls for extreme caution and I say it publicly as another way to knock it into my flat head.
Extremely instructive and humanly touching thread for me, I have to say.
This calls for extreme caution and I say it publicly as another way to knock it into my flat head.
Extremely instructive and humanly touching thread for me, I have to say.
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dadsm3
Well-known
Five bucks to the first guy that goes on his forum and says that street photography laws aren't strict enough and polcemen have every right to accost you and demand your film......
ywenz
Veteran
I'm sure bill is getting a kick out of reading this thread. All this attention for him..
Fedzilla_Bob
man with cat
dadsm3 said:
You first... 🙂 I'll use my $5 for some Shantou Era 😉.
erikhaugsby
killer of threads
Bill's signature on his new forum:
I departed Washington Park, looking back only once; but they did not follow me.
Does anybody know what "Washington Park" might be?
I departed Washington Park, looking back only once; but they did not follow me.
Does anybody know what "Washington Park" might be?
Dfndr90
Member
Wow,
46 posts about Bill. Yes he was wise, a sage some might say. If I upgrade to a premium membership will I get even more of this. I think I might go to his website a beg him to come back so everyone can get back to photography or something.
Matt...
46 posts about Bill. Yes he was wise, a sage some might say. If I upgrade to a premium membership will I get even more of this. I think I might go to his website a beg him to come back so everyone can get back to photography or something.
Matt...
back alley
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Dfndr90 said:
if you don't like this post leave it for others to enjoy.
should you decide to pay for a sponsorship great, but enough already!
gee, someone who is already obsessed with bill after, what 13 posts? and can't stop talking about paying for a membership...hhmmm.
joe
lmd91343
There's my Proctor-Silex!
Dodgers
Dodgers
The most famous "Washington Park" was the home of the Dodgers just before they moved to Ebbets Field. That would be late 19th and early 20th century.
I realize my Dodgers just lost three to your Twins, but I just have to think about '65!
-Lance
p.s. When I was in Denver last year, I drove by a Washington Park there. There has to be 50 Washington Parks in this country. (1 per state by PO regulation)
Dodgers
erikhaugsby said:
The most famous "Washington Park" was the home of the Dodgers just before they moved to Ebbets Field. That would be late 19th and early 20th century.
I realize my Dodgers just lost three to your Twins, but I just have to think about '65!
-Lance
p.s. When I was in Denver last year, I drove by a Washington Park there. There has to be 50 Washington Parks in this country. (1 per state by PO regulation)
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