Kisses and insults...

tom.w.bn said:
You are right. We were not there so we don't know whether the person complaining had a relationship to the persons being photographed or not.
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I wondered that too... But it seems they weren't even friends, as they weren't that close and the girl use to say "those girls..."... But there was something going on for sure, because she felt identified and defended them (against two quick snapshots) and she felt as if she was being vulnered instead of them...

Cheers,

Juan
 
Roger Hicks said:
If anything qualified as 'creepy' I'd suggest it's someone who goes about inspecting old men's trousers to see if they've got a 'boner' when they are taking pictures legally in public.
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I think this is the most times I'll ever see the word 'boner' in a single thread on RFF. It keeps on making me laugh. :D

Never said I was mature!
 
Hi Juan; In the US it's public domain. The people who have almost no privacy are public figures. Actors, political people. These people make money by being public. The two you photographed were in public and are (I would guess) of legal age. I don't think they have any recourse. I'm not an attorney. I can tell you that a few things that US law holds for artists may be a unusual to folks out side the US. US law considers hanging a photo in a gallery publishing. It's the same as if it were in a national publication. I don't know if this applies (in all cases) to the web. So, in a modeling agreement, where the only publishing that would normally take place would be a possible gallery announcement, the agreement must include publishing. That opens a can of worms.. Also, in the case of where I am, SF, the photo you took wouldn't have raised an eye brow. On the contrary, It's possible you would have been yelled at for leaving someone out of the photo.. p.
 
Vobluda said:
Where are the pictures of the girls?
It is a bit difficult for me to get involved in discussion prior to seeing the pictures.
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Hi Vobluda,

The roll isn't developed yet... Of course I'll show them as soon as I have them printed, but I guess the images will have no relevance on this, as the girls were in a public place, dressed, and didn't care about my shooting in any way...

Cheers,

Juan
 
Pico said:
I wouldn't even respond. Why bother talking? It's only cheap egoism. You aren't going to change her mind. I'd just move on.
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Hi Pico,

People that crazy tend to think you fear them if you don't answer at all... And as then they imagine you were conscious of a bad behaviour, they sometimes call near police officers (I've seen it happen before), so I prefer telling them I can photograph there, and recommend them to ask the police about it if they want, and then I leave in a better position...

Cheers,

Juan
 
stompyq said:
This post reminded me of a incident that occured to me a few months ago in DC. I was taking some pics of my wife near capitol hill in one of those parks. The cherry trees were in bloom and she wanted some pics to send to her parents. I had to stand a little far back since i was using a 85mm lens on my D200 (sorry RF guys). She got highly aggitated when she saw this guy snapping pics of her from behind a tree. I looked round and saw the guy using a 300mm lens and aim it straight at her, then absolutluy bolt the moment he realised i spotted her. My wife was upset over the incident for quite a while. I know it's a public park, but i wonder how i would have reacted if he came up and then insisted on his rights??

Sorry it was OT. I don't think the OP was wrong just a smile would have helped.
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But my case wasn't even close to that one... The subjects in my shots didn't feel upset in any moment...

Cheers,

Juan
 
helenhill said:
Sorry to hear of Your Verbal Attack...though I do Think You handled Yourself with Smooth Ease.

Can we see the pixs Please.... :D
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Hi Helen,

I promise I'll post them in a few days... (Just two very similar shots of the whole bodies with a 15mm from above their feet...)

Cheers,

Juan
 
jsrockit said:
It surprised you? Come on... how can it be surprising?
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1. Because it was a public and crowded place.
2. Because other people were making photographs around us.
3. Because my subjects didn't have any problem with me.
4. Because for the first time in my life people outside my shooting didn't like it.

How couldn't I be surprised?

Cheers,

Juan
 
Typically the thread that will last for dozens of pages without any definite answer or sensible advice about the behaviour to have in such casual circumstances.

This happened to me as well, and to many people I know too. As soon as you want to shoot photos in the streets or at any public place, displaying strangers as those people being one important part of your composition, this is going to happen to you at least once.

Either you accept that risk, or you shoot your own family in front of a bricks wall, or flowers in a wild forest, or whatever, away from any human figure.

Talking to those other people (one would notice that the people you shoot seldom react themselves, the overreaction is almost always coming from third characters witnessing) trying to have you stop taking pictures is worthless believe me.

So, yes the best thing is to move along or at least telling those people to get concerned with their own business not yours.

Worse case, you will get hurt or your camera will end its journey in the sea if you get accross particularly crazy characters. But this is only at this point that you'll need to speak about your rights as an amateur photographer taking candid shots in a public place and having no intention to publish the pictures on the Internet or in a newspaper.
 
ulrich.von.lich said:
Juan,

You should watch the movie Blow-up of Michelangelo Antonioni. And next time, simply tell them you were doing your job like others.

Besides, is there really a difference between taking pictures of strange women and simply looking at them?
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Hi Ulrich,

I wish everyone thought like you and me about this...

Cheers,

Juan
 
jsrockit said:
I think people, even photographers, need to respect people. If you choose to do what can be conceived as creepy photography, you have to take responsibility for your actions and realize that some people are just not going to like you. Just as you say it is your right to photograph in public, it was that woman's right to yell at you in public... even if she wasn't in the photo.
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You're right, she had the right to say it and the right to be wrong, and I corrected her and kept my shots and continued shooting.

Cheers,

Juan
 
andredossantos said:
Getting confronted happens less than one would think but it does happen. Ive found that if the person seems reasonable and not too flustered I try to engage them in order to try to explain the logic behind public photography and why its perfectly legal. If the person seems overly angry or visibly disturbed I just wave and walk away. Reasoning and especially arguing with these types is quite fruitless. Being that the woman was drunk, I would've walked away and Ive found that its NEVER a good idea to be rude even if the person engaging you is rude themselves. Being calm and rational disarms people.

In the past couple outings I was confronted by two dudes and both times I just calmly engaged them. Both were kind of upset at first and both sort of conceded a point or two by the time we had finished speaking.

Anyway, my two cents.
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Hi,

I was clear, but I was not rude... I spoke in low voice and it took less than a minute... She was rude from the beginning to the end... I was calmed and rational and that disarmed her... Well, except for her final insult...

Cheers,

Juan.
 
Roger Hicks said:
If anything qualified as 'creepy' I'd suggest it's someone who goes about inspecting old men's trousers to see if they've got a 'boner' when they are taking pictures legally in public.

Something I personally find 'creepy' is people who are afraid to use their own names on line.

Cheers,

R.
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Wow, you take this stuff way too seriously. I guess I hit a nerve. I'm sorry to have offended you with my joke. If you searched google, you'd know my name easily.
 
jsrockit said:
It's as much of a right as photographing people in compromising situations.
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Since when has a public kiss on a crowded place been a compromising situation for people who didn't care about being photographed? :)

I'll tell you: since less free minded people consider a kiss between two women is a problem.

Cheers,

Juan
 
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