Kisses and insults...

There are the laws of the country that we each live in that we must follow, then there are morals that are personal and shouldn't be imposed on others.
 
Some people just don't like to be photographed, coz they (think they) look ugly on photos. Don't you have an aunty who hides from the camera every time she sees it? Why does it have to be so complicated?
 
Sparrow said:
I suspect Canadian law would be close to the UK's, the swearing is a common assault and touching you or your possessions is a aggravated assault, so no they do not have such a right
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You appear to be right... Section 5 Public Order Act 1985 is what they use huh? Wow. crazy. Yeah, we have no such thing here unless a person is truly out of control and disturbing the peace. In Juan's situation, nothing would have happened to any of the parties in the US.
 
ampguy said:
With a 15mm WA you're going to have to get pretty close to people, like literally in their faces to fill their frame.
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C'me on, if you take the metro or the streetcar you daily are shot under your skirt with a 6mm WA by people using a cell phone as for a camera, like literally in your pussy cat to fill their frame 😱 😀

The only difference with Juan's story is that you don't know it when it happens to you because you don't see anybody with a real camera taking pictures there... 🙄

But the Internet space is filled with close-up photos of your intimacy already 😛
 
jsrockit said:
Not at all. I love this type of photography. I'm just trying to say that if you do this type of photography, there are certain consequences one has to deal with. How you choose to deal with them is your business... but I just find it strange that people are surprised that people on the streets react the way they did to Juan and that some think it isn't within their right to do so. I'm just not surprised at all. I see it too much. I just took a street photography course with Joel Meyerowitz in NYC and we had 17 people out on the streets photographing in a small area. People (subjects) were getting pissed and some weren't. It isn't shocking here for someone to get angry and yell at you.
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So you love and pursue such photography, yet call others "creepy" how do you justify that?

jsrockit said:
Wow, I didn't realize the UK was that controlling of people's emotions. I'm sorry.
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You are taking a legitimate previous statement out of context and misrepresenting my view
 
Sparrow said:
So you love and pursue such photography, yet call others "creepy" how do you justify that?
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You are taking me way too seriously... as I stated earlier I'm just playing devil's advocate. While I like this type of photography, I feel it is creepy at times. You've never felt a little wrong or bad about taking a picture of someone after the fact?
 
Highway 61 said:
The kisses and the fact that the two people you shot exchanging kisses were women are of no actual matter here IMO, despite the title of your thread (well found to catch attention here BTW, reminds the song Summer kisses, winter tears by Julee Cruise 😀).

Well, you shot people at the beach, a third party got in and told you that you were having an improper behaviour, and became unpleasant, so what ? Casual 100% I'm afraid.
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Hi,

You're very wrong on this... If I wanted a title to generate attention I could have used a more sexual word, or a homosexual one, but I didn't... The reason for the title is that I did end up thinking all girls were lesbians, and while the free ones dealt with kisses, the conservative one dealt with insults... The title represented this sad contrast in people having things in common and laying close on a beach and my perception... I might be right or wrong, but all this is important no matter the title...

Cheers,

Juan
 
Julee Cruise's song is a most beautiful one, you should get it and listen to it asap, then think of something else than cute lesbians insulting you while ugly heteros try to kiss you when you don't want. 😉
 
jsrockit said:
Wow, you take this stuff way too seriously. I guess I hit a nerve. I'm sorry to have offended you with my joke. If you searched google, you'd know my name easily.
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It wasn't a joke, and I wasn't offended. I was just calling you out for a foolish comment. Losing the expectation that we can take pictures in public, because of imagined 'rights', or because of suspicion of old men, is actually quite serious. Sorry, this is an ungracious way to react to an apology but this is a subject worthy of more than schoolboy attempts at humour.

Yes, you 'hit a nerve' because the casual (even 'joking') equation of photography with perversion leads to ever more suspicion of photographers. Fortunately, in most of continental Europe there is little or no paranoia about being photographed: it's a bit of a lark, just as it is in most of the rest of the world still and just as it was in the UK and USA until around 20 years ago. I'd like to see it stay that way.

If I can easily find your name via Google, why don't you use it here? And why on earth would I care enough to Google 'jsrockit' anyway?


Cheers,

R.
 
Roger Hicks said:
It wasn't a joke, and I wasn't offended. I was just calling you out for a foolish comment. Losing the expectation that we can take pictures in public, because of imagined 'rights', or because of suspicion of old men, is actually quite serious. Sorry, this is an ungracious way to react to an apology but this is a subject worthy of more than schoolboy attempts at humour.

Yes, you 'hit a nerve' because the casual (even 'joking') equation of photography with perversion leads to ever more suspicion of photographers. Fortunately, in most of continental Europe there is little or no paranoia about being photographed: it's a bit of a lark, just as it is in most of the rest of the world still and just as it was in the UK and USA until around 20 years ago. I'd like to see it stay that way.

If I can easily find your name via Google, why don't you use it here? And why on earth would I care enough to Google 'jsrockit' anyway?


Cheers,

R.
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Mr. Hicks,

I never said photographing in public was wrong. I just said it can be creepy as I have felt creepy doing it in certain situations. Sure, my attempts at humor may have been lame, but I still think they were jokes...even if you don't. I have a feeling you got upset because you are an older man who maybe has had people react that way to you? The only serious point I was trying to make is that if you choose to do this type of photography, which many of us do in some form or another, you have to be willing to deal with people's emotions good or bad.

As for JSRockit... I didn't expect you to search for it. However, you were under the assumption that I was hiding something. If you google JSRockit, my name comes up...I'm hiding nothing. I think this is a generational thing... I'm a younger man who likes to use a screen name that is a nickname from friends... most people on forums don't use their real name... you do because your name means something in this forum. My name does not... I'm just an average guy.

Sincerely, John Gellings
 
Sparrow said:
Not in the UK they don't, maybe you're thinking of Brooklyn, eh?
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I wish I knew this a few years ago when I was yelled at, chased, and had money demanded of me... for allegedly photographing a British street performer. What's funny is that I pointed my camera at him but decided that he really wasn't very photogenic.
 
Juan Valdenebro said:
Am I wrong?
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Sorry, but it feels wrong to me; however, I do agree that you were within your "rights". Juan, I can't comment on your work as there isn't a link in your sig and I don't see you having a gallery here on RFF.

I believe individual dignity, morality, and especially community are important considerations when conducting ourselves in public as photographers.

Would you have behaved and photographed in the same manner if you knew the girls, if they were neighbors, cousins or one your sister?

Juan, are you looking for your peers on RFF to legitimize your actions and style of shooting as a photographer?

If everyone ran around in this style, I think photographers would quickly find our "rights" being taken away.

One important consideration is the context in which an image is captured. Is it for a project or commissioned work, intended to be shared? For you personal archives?
 
jsrockit said:
Mr. Hicks,

I never said photographing in public was wrong. I just said it can be creepy as I have felt creepy doing it in certain situations. Sure, my attempts at humor may have been lame, but I still think they were jokes...even if you don't. I have a feeling you got upset because you are an older man who maybe has had people react that way to you? The only serious point I was trying to make is that if you choose to do this type of photography, which many of us do in some form or another, you have to be willing to deal with people's emotions good or bad.

As for JSRockit... I didn't expect you to search for it. However, you were under the assumption that I was hiding something. If you google JSRockit, my name comes up...I'm hiding nothing. I think this is a generational thing... I'm a younger man who likes to use a screen name that is a nickname from friends... most people on forums don't use their real name... you do because your name means something in this forum. My name does not... I'm just an average guy.

Sincerely, John Gellings
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John,

Roger's behaviour in using his recognized name here, is only a false perception in your twisted mind. The right way of things, if you want to try it one day, is that his behaviour made his name recognized.

And you are wrong about what you just said: lots of people here -unknown like myself- use our names.

Cheers,

Juan
 
jsrockit said:
You are taking me way too seriously... as I stated earlier I'm just playing devil's advocate. While I like this type of photography, I feel it is creepy at times. You've never felt a little wrong or bad about taking a picture of someone after the fact?
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Really? sorry then, lets just say, for the sake of argument, I'm representing humanity here then.

Personally I rarely take candid photos, and on the rare occasions I do I have settled the moral issues long before I raise the camera to my eye.

I also have a friend who takes many photos surreptitiously, I don't believe it's for me to judge his morality, it certainly is not yours
 
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