kodak discontinues all transparency production?

[Tim Gray]

That's interesting about Three Kings, which had a really rich visual quality to it. I remember some scenes that were visually dazzling (like the Shiite underground shrine). Too bad about the tacked-on happy ending, otherwise a great film. I wonder why the director or DoP chose that stock.

For the look 🙂 It might have been cross processed and/or bleach bypassed - I can't recall.


Ahh yes, check this page and search for 'Ektachrome'.

 

[jb17kx]

Hollywood no longer makes any measurable use of reversal stocks.

99% of stock used in camera is ECN-2 negative and 100% of print stock is ECP-2D negative. (Granted movie print films DO look like slide film, but they're clear-base negative films that are contact printed with an internegative to produce a positive)

In the pre-video days there was a big use of EASTMAN EKTACHROME Video News Film (in the VNF-1 or RVNP processes) and also EKTACHROME Commercial because they saved a post-production step. The EKTACHROME VNF films were specifically made with lower contrast and different target density so that the camera original film could be cut and telecined for the evening news. Obviously with Betacam that market practically died overnight, although EKTACHROME 3239 (a derivative of VNF 7239) remained popular into the late '90s for scientific high-speed camera use.

For a while Kodak did make EASTMAN Colour Reversal Intermediate which could be used to simply post-production paths for optical effects or for material shot on reversal film, but although it was useful it was incredibly hard to make (apparently half of every production run failed QC)... and it had colour stability worse even than Ansco or GAF films. CRI elements used in STAR WARS, for example, were faded to uselessness by the mid-'90s.

Nowadays Kodak offers a reversal film for movies more because they haven't bothered to not offer it. EASTMAN EKTACHROME 100D 5285 is exactly the same as the Kodak EKTACHROME E100VS 5085 we can put through still cameras, except obviously perforated in BH-1866 rather than KS-1870. This is a nice little economy for them and explains why 5285 is still on the books, but be assured that 5285 is mooching off E100VS and not the other way around. Aside from its use in Super-8 and a bit in 16mm, it has very little use to 35mm productions because most 35mm productions are going through a proper post-production channel and don't want to get locked in to the reversal 'look' (though granted it does occasionally turn up in music videos).

A similar set-up was used after KODACHROME 40 Type A was discontinued in Super-8 - Kodak simply started slitting EKTACHROME 64T EPY out of the stills line, and replaced it with EKTACHROME 100D when the EPY line was being wound up.

 

[Noll]

I hope not; I like their Elite Chrome--it's cheaper than most, and it's given me some very nice results. Although, as much as I love Kodak for b&w and C41, I have to admit that Fuji makes better slide film at this point, IMO.

You guys do know that Elitechrome was discontinued in late 2011? It'll probably be available for a few more months but it's going to start disappearing. It's pretty much my favorite slide film, so I'm really disappointed about it. Elitechrome Extra Color wasn't officially discontinued as far as I know, but it'll probably go away soon.

As far as I know all that's currently produced is E100G and E100VS. It's really getting expensive in 35 mm.

 

[Dylan Hope]

I don't put any stock in what local camera stores have to say about specific companies within the industry.

My local Kodak Express has for the last year insisted that Kodak no longer makes black and white chemicals - developers, stop baths, fixers, anything. I've asked them to call up their suppliers and ask about this, but they've said they don't need to because they know for a fact that no more black and white chemicals are produced by Kodak. And yet, they still used to develop my black and white film (15 bucks a roll, 20 for developing, 5 for poor scanning).

Likewise, I wouldn't chat to the guys I buy my colour film, lenses and cameras from about whether or not they know when the CaNikon D9 mk. VII will be released or if ZieCa will still be in business within a year, simply because their guess is as good as mine. They might be passionate about photography, but it's unlikely they sit at their home computers pouring over the sales records, press releases and the like in their spare time. They just like to take pictures, if at all, and working at a camera store provides them with a steady income.

 

[bigeye]

My Mayan film dealer says all film use will end this year.

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[wizofz2k]

For those who sorely miss Astia (I'm one of them!), Provia 100f has been "silently" modified by Fuji to look almost like Astia.

I scan my Astia and Provia at very high resolution and apply a specific custom Neat Image filter that I make myself to reduce the "grain".

Last year I stopped using Astia and when I tried my old filter for Provia 100f with the latest batches of Provia, it didn't work nowhere near as well as my previous Astia filter does!

This leads me to believe Fuji has silently changed Provia to make it look the same as Astia, as far as scanning goes.

Try it, it's really an amazing film nowadays. This is the latest emulsion, the one that mentions "4-layer-whatever" thing in the box.

Now, I don't notice any difference between it and Astia, except that it doesn't "purple out" as much as Astia did when under-exposed.

Oh, disclaimer time:
no, I don't work for Fuji. Far from it, in fact!
🙂

 

[rxmd]

Actually, the bits above about E-6 film not being used in motion film are wrong. The positive print stocks used are essentially negative films (you make a negative print of a negative film and you get a positive), that part is correct. But Kodak DOES make a reversal motion film, and it is process E-6. Kodak Ektachrome 100D. I've read it's very closely related to E100G.

That being said, I don't think it's used very much. It used to be used a fair amount for music videos I think. I'm pretty sure 'Three Kings' was shot on Ektachrome, not that that is a 'recent' movie anymore...

The film in question is Kodak 5285 and it is indeed pretty close to E100G, very vivid colours, good for cross processing.

You can try to find some short ends and load them yourself.

 

[mob81]

I Really hope they're not, I just tried E100G and LOVED it

 

[Matus]

My Mayan film dealer says all film use will end this year.

.

Good one 😀

 

[HHPhoto]

It's only a rumour, not a fact.

Kodak is producing E100G, E100 VS, Elitechrome 100 ExtraColor and Ektachrome 100D.
E100G is not only offered in 135 and 120, 4x5" and 8x10", but also in the rare formats 9x12cm and 13x18cm!!
That is a clear indication of its popularity.
If there were plans to stop E100G production I am shure that than these rare formats would have been stopped some time ago.

And Kodak is making the Lomography X-Pro 100 slide film.
Slide film is extremely popular with the Lomographers for cross processing, and Kodak knows that. This market is expanding.
And an increasing number of Lomographers is now discovering E6 real slides and the joy and fun of slide projection.

Why should Kodak give this expanding market for free to Fuji?

We have lots of experience with nonsense talk by local dealers during the last years. Don't hear at them, look at official announcements from Kodak concerning their films.

And enjoy shooting Kodak slide film. Its excellent.
And slide projection is by far the best what film can deliver. Much much better compared to digital beamers, which totally fail with their extremely low resolution of only 1 - 2 Megapixels and their bad color reproduction.

Cheers, Jan

 

[jb17kx]

The film in question is Kodak 5285 and it is indeed pretty close to E100G, very vivid colours, good for cross processing.

You can try to find some short ends and load them yourself.

Um, as you may have noticed back in my post 26, 5285 is E100VS.

Kodak is producing E100G, E100 VS, Elitechrome 100 ExtraColor and Ektachrome 100D.

And again, EKTACHROME 100D *is* E100VS.

Also, hasn't EBX been discontinued?

 

[HHPhoto]

And again, EKTACHROME 100D *is* E100VS.

Some say it is E100VS, some say it is E100G.
I don't know, because so far I have not used Ektachrome 100D in Super8.
It doesn't matter, important is that Kodak is converting at least one of the slide films to 8mm, 16mm, 35mm.

Also, hasn't EBX been discontinued?

No, it has not. It is in production.
One of the big German drugstore chains even now have Elitechrome 100 ExtraColor in their portfolio, instead of the discontinued Elitechrome 100.
At the same very attractive price of 4,29€.

Cheers, Jan

 

[jb17kx]

Upon rechecking my facts, former Kodak employee John Pytlak states that Ektachrome 100D 5285 is derived from E100VS, but with certain changes to improve its function in motion picture use.

 

[machinehum]

I don't put any stock in what local camera stores have to say about specific companies within the industry.

My local Kodak Express has for the last year insisted that Kodak no longer makes black and white chemicals - developers, stop baths, fixers, anything. I've asked them to call up their suppliers and ask about this, but they've said they don't need to because they know for a fact that no more black and white chemicals are produced by Kodak. And yet, they still used to develop my black and white film (15 bucks a roll, 20 for developing, 5 for poor scanning).

You're wrong, they're right. Kodak hasn't made chemistry for years, they re-badge stuff made by Champion Chemical.

 

[iandiam]

Good one 😀

2x good one

 

[anjoca76]

You guys do know that Elitechrome was discontinued in late 2011? It'll probably be available for a few more months but it's going to start disappearing. It's pretty much my favorite slide film, so I'm really disappointed about it. Elitechrome Extra Color wasn't officially discontinued as far as I know, but it'll probably go away soon.

As far as I know all that's currently produced is E100G and E100VS. It's really getting expensive in 35 mm.

No, I did not realize elitechrome 100 has been discontinued. Very sad. Thanks for breaking the bad news to me. I better stock up while it's still cheap and still around!

I read on this thread that Kodak makes Lomography xpro chrome 100. Not to ask a stupid question, but has anyone tried that film with normal e6 processing?

 

[HHPhoto]

You're wrong, they're right. Kodak hasn't made chemistry for years, they re-badge stuff made by Champion Chemical.

Well, it is a bit different: Kodak had outsourced it. Champion made the Kodak chemistry with original Kodak formula for Kodak.
If you buy these products, you buy a Kodak labelled product, not a Champion labelled one.
It's OEM manufacturing, very common in the whole photo industry.
Look at your Ilford chemistry bottles: Made in Germany.
Because it is made by Tetenal for Ilford.

Cheers, Jan

 

[HHPhoto]

I read on this thread that Kodak makes Lomography xpro chrome 100. Not to ask a stupid question, but has anyone tried that film with normal e6 processing?

AFAIK it is Elitechrome 100.
In future it will probably be Elitechrome 100 ExtraColor.
So developed in E6 you will have wonderful brillant slides!

Cheers, Jan

 

[anjoca76]

AFAIK it is Elitechrome 100.
In future it will probably be Elitechrome 100 ExtraColor.
So developed in E6 you will have wonderful brillant slides!

Cheers, Jan

Good to know! Thanks!

 

[jb17kx]

Look at your Ilford chemistry bottles: Made in Germany.
Because it is made by Tetenal for Ilford.

Is that a new arrangement or is it only specific to certain products? My bottles of Ilfotol and my 5 L bottles of Hypam were made in Spain.