Kodak on 10 Brands that will Disappear in 2010 List

Smells like all the times Apple was declared dead. Yawn.

William
 
I'm not sure if this was answered earlier - so if Kodak goes under - wouldnt this make more business for Ilford and Fuji and help them do better business in film?
 
As long as there are consumers willing to purchase film, there will be film. The most popular films will be the last standing. So, purchase film and it will survive. Who knows what it will be called. My guess is that like all things, it will be made in China.
 
the day portra is discont'd is the day i do two things: 1) buy a ****load of portra and, 2) start to save up for a 5d mark II and photoshop lessons on how to make my crappy digital photos look like film.
 
the local community college just made a new darkroom, and the program director told me that several programs that shut their darkrooms down have reopened them. back by popular demand.

you why film will never go away? because it is cool. kodak can easily cash in on their street cred and keep those factories running. they could bring back kodachrome as a niche product. waiting two weeks for it to come back from dwayne's wouldn't be an inconvenience, it would be a ritual.
 
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"you why film will never go away? because it is cool. kodak can easily cash in on their street cred and keep those factories running. they could bring back kodachrome as a niche product. waiting two weeks for it to come back from dwayne's wouldn't be an inconvenience, it would be a ritual."

That's funny. Kodak killed Kodachrome BECAUSE it was a niche product. Dwayne's will stop processing it because it was a niche product. They were probably still selling what we would consider a lot of it. The profits in film production have always been a matter of scale. I know folks think you can just easily whip up 35mm film in the garage, but that's just not the case.

You don't think there was still demand for B&W photographic paper when Kodak killed the whole line without warning? That they weren't still selling what you and I would consider a "significant" amount of the stuff?

It may well be that Kodak isn't even producing film anymore, just selling off the stockpile they have stored in those caves through places like freestyle.
 
If you want to see something scary go to Fuji's global site ... look under products ... click the link to films and try and find any mention of black and white at all ... that's right there is no mention!

I supect that Fuji will be one of the first to opt out of the film market ... before Kodak possibly?
 
rphenning said:
the day portra is discont'd is the day i do two things: 1) buy a ****load of portra and, 2) start to save up for a 5d mark II and photoshop lessons on how to make my crappy digital photos look like film.
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I don't actually think digital photos look 'crappy' at all ... I just choose not to make the medium my prime photographic output because I prefer the appearance of images made with film.

When film fizzles out I will have to learn about imaginative digital processing if I want to keep taking photographs ... simple really!
 
Yesterday, after reading analysis of ongoing film death, I loaded my first rolls from bulk. After that I realized only film from Kodak I have ever used is Ektar100 which I try not use a lot because Kodak kills films after people get used to them (couple of years ago I tried to buy Ultra Color, which were discontinued right then). Uh, I've shot few rolls of Kodak monochrome film, but XP2S to me is better.

With all my respect to Kodak with its historical role, I feel good there are couple of non-US film companies it the world.

Yes, after all film will go, as well as human race, and only rats and fungus will survive. You know guys, there are families already living decade in concrete bunkers or caves, drinking urea and breathing reused air, waiting for total catastrophe.

My suggestion is - stop drinking your own urea, it's not time yet.
Use film and film cameras and don't crowd all on one side of boat to see another boat sinking because it's not good for our boat.
 
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btgc, the problem for those of us who like to shoot a little film is that it really isn't "our" boat that's sinking. And we can't bail water fast enough to keep it from going down. :)

Kodak 4th quarter results will be out January 28. Those numbers will be significant to the discussion, I suspect.
 
Keith said:
I supect that Fuji will be one of the first to opt out of the film market ... before Kodak possibly?
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Unlikely as Fuji are the last big company still actively marketing high-price film cameras (with a couple of recent releases too), and the Japanese home market has a ample segment where film can still sell when priced as a luxury. But you may be right as to the state of your local Fuji organisation - in many countries these have stopped promoting their film products.

Sevo
 
Pickett Wilson said:
That's funny. Kodak killed Kodachrome BECAUSE it was a niche product. Dwayne's will stop processing it because it was a niche product. They were probably still selling what we would consider a lot of it. The profits in film production have always been a matter of scale. I know folks think you can just easily whip up 35mm film in the garage, but that's just not the case.

You don't think there was still demand for B&W photographic paper when Kodak killed the whole line without warning? That they weren't still selling what you and I would consider a "significant" amount of the stuff?

It may well be that Kodak isn't even producing film anymore, just selling off the stockpile they have stored in those caves through places like freestyle.
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call it wishful thinking. fact remains, no other color film has the same lore, cachet, or sheer marketability. the elaborateness of its manufacturing and development is a marketing asset: it's deluxe.

none of their b&w papers stood out, to my knowledge. did they make something as legendary as agfa portriga rapid? i figure it was no great loss to the b&w photography community, which is well taken care of by smaller operations.

what warehouse did kodak pull ektar 100 out of? of course they're still making film. they'll shut down some more plants, i'm sure, but they're building a new one right now.

i'm not so interested in the question of whether they'll stop making film. what i'm looking at is which films they'll continue making after the shakedown is complete. what will the post-digital revolution film photography market look like?
 
Pickett Wilson said:
"I'd like to hope that they'll sell their film division rather than just shut it down."

I dunno. Let's look at the possible scenario. Kodak can't profitably make film so they have quit producing it. Fujifilm is close behind. Hey, I think I'll buy the equipment and start making film. Surely I could make a fortune that way! :D
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Why is so much of your input into this forum and especially this thread come across as glib? Your prophetic nonsense on the state of world, ie specifically Leica and film is tedious to say the least.

I still find it amazing that other members bother responding to your remarks, especially after your trollish remarks when you rated the quality of the work here at rangefinder as generally poor in an earlier thread. It makes me wonder if someone has too much time on their hands. Perhaps you could help W. Bush cut down some more trees and dig for those worms in Texas.
 
Jaans said:
Why is so much of your input into this forum and especially this thread come across as glib? Your prophetic nonsense on the state of world, ie specifically Leica and film is tedious to say the least.

I still find it amazing that other members bother responding to your remarks, especially after your trollish remarks when you rated the quality of the work here at rangefinder as generally poor in an earlier thread. It makes me wonder if someone has too much time on their hands. Perhaps you could help W. Bush cut down some more trees and dig for those worms in Texas.
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Glib or not Picket's "prophetic nonsense" makes a lot of sense, and probably appears tedious ( to you ) - because it is not what you want yo hear. As for his remarks regarding the quality of work - posted here ( I didn't see them ) as being generally poor - if that's being a troll, then I'm one too, because it IS!, mostly meaningless grey and white shots of strangers in the street - doing nothing in particular, or the endless examples of 'wonderful bokeh' - that makes you sick if viewed too long, but every so often - someone produces something of beauty and imagination. Perhaps I "have too much time on my hands" too! - now where's that axe and shovel?
Dave.
 
gb hill said:
That would be nice! because if kodak & fuji were to go under I'll shoot that cheap shanghi, foma, stuff from Chekloslavika (however you spell it).
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I think the Czech Republic and Slovakia would re-unite if we would promise to refer to them like that ^^ in the future:p:p


My current gear is in my signature. It might not look much to many, but I gave that small list quite some thought. A camera selling frenzy would not do me any good (except for a nice Fuji 690 maybe), but a sound-business supplier of color film would.
Since I sold the M8, I have rediscovered why I liked photography in the first place. Digital spoils that fun for me.

I'm not that worried about B&W film supply, Kodak will probably manufacture Tmax and Tri-X for time to come, Fomapan and Ilford will be around for quite some time too, but color and slides? Oh boy. That is Kodak-only with me...:(
 
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Glib or not Picket's "prophetic nonsense" makes a lot of sense, and probably appears tedious ( to you ) - because it is not what you want yo hear. As for his remarks regarding the quality of work - posted here ( I didn't see them ) as being generally poor - if that's being a troll, then I'm one too, because it IS!, mostly meaningless grey and white shots of strangers in the street - doing nothing in particular, or the endless examples of 'wonderful bokeh' - that makes you sick if viewed too long, but every so often - someone produces something of beauty and imagination. Perhaps I "have too much time on my hands" too! - now where's that axe and shovel?
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Agree ... Pickett seldom has stars in his eyes and never puts on the rose coloured glasses where reality is concerned. :p

I want film to survive as much as anyone ... but people who pluck statements from the air about how well film is really doing because they use it and know a lot of others who do also, give me the irrits I'm afraid because their claims invariably can't be substantiated with over all film sales figures!

Pickett has little tolerance for that sort of stuff and has a right to express his feelings about it ... as we all do ... often! :D
 
Which post did I refer to the work here as generally poor? I kick around flickr a lot, but don't member the comments about RFF.

And, Jaans, I meet the official RFF criteria that you have to own a Leica to trash talk it. I own four of them. All film cameras, by the way. :)
 
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