Leica abuse!

Sometimes you can knock the hell out of a Leica M and just get a slight dent, sometimes an M rangefinder might get out of whack, and on the rare occasion what seems like a gentle bump can delaminate the main prism and you'll just see black in the viewfinder. .[/quote]

Guessing, but I think the delamination is more due to age and a weakening of the glue than anything and thus a gentle bump finishes it off.
 
How could that happen? The canopy would need to be open
He got the wrong aircraft apparently. There's no possible way you can loose a camera out of an F4 Phantom. If you could the camera would of been immediately sucked into the intake exhaust which is right under & behind the canopy. Jet aircraft are not like a car, you can't roll the window down to get a bit of fresh air the cockpits are pressurized. I fueled enough of them when I was in the Navy. Now a prop, I can believe.
 
How about the story of the PJ who fell through a hole in the ice into frozen water. Couldnt find his way out so had to smash a new hole in the ice from beneath using his nikon f5... which still worked after, if a little dented. When exploring the arctic take a nikon f5, not a leica M. They arent heavy enough 😉
 
How about the story of the PJ who fell through a hole in the ice into frozen water. Couldnt find his way out so had to smash a new hole in the ice from beneath using his nikon f5... which still worked after, if a little dented. When exploring the arctic take a nikon f5, not a leica M. They arent heavy enough 😉

Oddly, I have experience of that in Norway, and no nobody could do that or would do it, the hole one enters through shines like a spotlight in the gloom one would head for that, and anyway the mixture of shock, cold and water resistance would make breaking the ice impossible.

Bizarrely the official way escape in the 70’s was to pull yourself out with ski poles then roll in the snow

🙂
 
Oddly, I have experience of that in Norway, and no nobody could do that or would do it, the hole one enters through shines like a spotlight in the gloom one would head for that, and anyway the mixture of shock, cold and water resistance would make breaking the ice impossible.

Bizarrely the official way escape in the 70’s was to pull yourself out with ski poles then roll in the snow

🙂
I believe it's possible using an Argus C3 ( THE BRICK!) 😀
 
Low density foam is best for vibration insulation. Anyone interested in photography and motorcycling (I've not done much pedal-cycling with cameras, probably under 1000 miles in 50 years) might find this interesting:

http://www.semiadventuroustraveler.com/ps photo-moto.html

The only camera problems I have had are a Hasselblad back unscrewing itself (high frequency vibration -- MZ TS250 top box) and an inner group in a 200/3 Vivitar Series 1 partially ubscrewing (!) in the tank bag on a 350 Enfield Bullet.

Oh: and a Pentax written off when someone drove into the side of a Honda 90 with a soft-side pannier (saddlebag). But I wasn't hurt so I got over it. Pity, though: it was my first ever decent camera. My father bought it for me when I was 16. It was later stolen! (I had kept it for sentimental reasons).

Tashi delek,

Roger
 
Thanks for the link, Roger.

I agree that whichever camera you pick, a padded bag is the way to go if you're traveling by car, plane, train, or bike. Don't subject your camera to vibration if you can help it!

For a durable SLR, I gotta throw my vote in with the FM2n and FM3a. Nikon build 'em for toughness, down to the bearings and circuit boards.
 
In one of my trips to Costa Rica with Leicas, I packed one of the M6TTL bodies I have without a lens on. The other had a lens mounted. The lensless body developed a small RF misalignment. When I flew the following time with my cameras, I attached a lens to each and there was no problem.

Hence: travel with the camera in a well-padded bag, with a lens mounted. 🙂
 
Uh, for hard abuse, I'd pick either a R3 or R6 over pretty much any other Leica reflex, and certainly over the SL/SL2.

The SLs were complex and vulnerable, and rather prone to failure when used hard - they never reached a M-like reliability, and most press photographers back then either kept to their M's or left the brand for Nikon. The R3 was a considerable improvement on them, rock solid, and the first Leica reflex which saw wide acceptance among hard-working pros (the R4 initially was a setback, but improved to R3 like quality later in the series).

In the long run, the R3/R4 seem rather more subject to wear than the SLs if we go by the state used ones are currently in, but that may be due to the fact that these were seriously used, while SLs often ended as shelf queens quite soon in their life cycle.

Sevo

Uh, no.

Have you ever owned an SL or SL2? I've shot with an SL for several years and it makes my much loved Nikon F feel downright cheap.

The SL/SL2 may be the two most overbuilt SLR cameras ever made. Talk to a service technician like DOn or Sherry, if you won't take my word for it. There are varying figures available for shutter durability and they range between 200,000 and 400,000 exposures. Leica lost money on every SL/SL2 body they ever made, because the fabrication was of such high quality and cost. The baseplate for instance is made from relatively thick stainless steel, which is much more difficult and expensive to machine than brass. If the Leicalflex has an Achilles heel, it is the silly cover on the front of the prism housing, through which rain can easily enter. I put some wax impregnated gaffers tape over mine and that seems to have solved the problem. Leica had hoped to make their money back on lens sales, but that never happened. These were SLR cameras built to the same standard as a Leica M, but they never saw sufficient sales figures to sustain production.

The only other cameras that are even in the same ballpark, as far as build quality goes are probably the Nikon F2 and Canon F-1, but neither of them have the heft or density of an SL. And that is part of the reason why the SL/SL2 were never widely adopted by pro photographers. They were very expensive (at least twice as much and the lenses even more so) and weigh a ton. A Leicaflex SL MOT is big and heavy enough to hide behind, if you should come under fire.

The R3 is a good camera, but it is more along the lines of what we would refer to as a prosumer body in this day and age. It was not designed to take the same level of abuse as the Leicaflex and pro Nikon/Canon bodies could stomach. Same goes for the R4/R5.

It wasn't until the appearance of the R6.2, that Leica produced an SLR of considerable toughness and it was adopted by some pros (Salgado). I also own one, but to be honest I still wouldn't want to put it up against my Nikon F3-P, if reliability was of the upmost importance.

But as far as use by professionals goes the Leica R series never found widespread acceptance in the industry, which is one reason why Leica has been on wobbly legs since the 1960's. The R line was too expensive and not innovative enough, compared to what the Japanese were (are) turning out. The Leicaflex nor the R series was a modern system camera, with the hundreds of accessories you could buy for a Nikon/Canon. Leica also never adopted autofocus or a highly sophisticated autoexposure system like Nikon's 1005 point RGB matrix meter. The R series was also expensive as hell.

The SL/SL2 may have been technologically obsolete at the moment of their introduction, but the one thing you can't say about them is that they failed in the market due to a lack of reliability.
 
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Guys, this is silly.

M bodies are very tough, but they also have to obey the laws of physics. Any mechanical engineer worth his salt will tell you that high frequency vibration is one of the biggest threats to any mechanical device or structure; made in Germany or not.

Unless you want to run the risk of the camera failing in the middle of the trip, take the precaution of giving it a little extra protection. Don't worry. The ghost of John Wayne won't laugh at you and think you're a cross dresser, because you put a little extra padding in your bag.
 
Uh, no.

Have you ever owned an SL or SL2?
The SL/SL2 may have been technologically obsolete at the moment of their introduction, but the one thing you can't say about them is that they failed in the market due to a lack of reliability.

I've had two SL's - in the early eighties used ones were much cheaper than beater M2/M3's, by far the cheapest bodies you could use with then current Leitz lenses here in Germany.

But reliability was not their strength, I had to have each fixed at least once within a year, and sold them back to a collector at the first opportunity. Pretty much everybody among my friends who had one for similar reasons (one of our professors considered Leitz optics pretty much mandatory) was cursing them as well. The shutter and transport were solid, but prism, mirror, meter and aperture coupler were prone to a variety of failures. The R3 that replaced them, on the other hand, never deserted me.

Sevo
 
That's too bad. Sorry to hear about the bad luck you had with your bodies.

On the other end of the spectrum are people like Doug Herr, who's put thousands of rolls through his cameras with little trouble.

I've had mine for about 6 years and have put a few hundred through it myself and so far the only problem I had was when I got caught in a storm and the rain was literally flying horizontal. Some water got in through the panel on the prism and fogged up the viewfinder. Once it dried everything was ok, but I had to have some dirt cleaned out of the viewfinder.
 
How about the story of the PJ who fell through a hole in the ice into frozen water. Couldnt find his way out so had to smash a new hole in the ice from beneath using his nikon f5... which still worked after, if a little dented. When exploring the arctic take a nikon f5, not a leica M. They arent heavy enough 😉
That was Norwegian nature photographer Bjørn Rørslett. You can read his posts over here where he goes by nfoto.
 
If I remember correctly the crew had to eject and the camera came out with them. It's in the Leica Museum in Germany. Apparently Leica judged the camera to be serviceable. Do a search on the web for more info.

Oh that SL2, I thought we were talking M's, they actually described it as repairable not serviceable, as it has never been repaired one can only guess what cost they quoted.
 
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