Erik van Straten
Veteran
Ey guys, I'm looking for a Barnack, which one Would You recommend?
IIIa or IIIc? II versions haven't got the 1/1000 and 1/15 speeds, if I'm right!
I will use it with a 28 Skopar 3.5 and probably I will get a Summar.
So.. if I pick a II (I think is smaller than III) could be converted to a III for fast and slow speeds?
Thanks!
A II is not smaller than a III, but the original II has no strap lugs. Therefore it looks smaller.
For pure shooting I would choose a late IIIc, with a ball bearing shutter. Great cameras.
A II could be converted to a III. Then you'll have long speeds. Likewise a IIc could be converted to a IIIc.
Erik.
Bruno Gracia
Well-known
o thank You very much Erick, is it expensive to convert?
Dez
Bodger Extraordinaire
The II, III, IIIA, and IIIB are all the same size. The IIIC and later models are about 2mm longer. Conversion from a II to a III is possible, but typically costs more than simply buying another camera.
I wear glasses, so the RF focusing feature is important to me, consequently a II, which does not have this feature isn't very useful to me. The II and III models do not have the 1/1000 speed.
IIIA vs IIIC is mostly a matter of aesthetics in my opinion, although most people prefer the RF arrangement of the IIIC. Personally, I prefer the rather scarce IIIB, which has the more modern RF design in the slightly smaller IIIA body dimensions.
The Summar is a rather special lens, with extremely low contrast and a tendency for severe flare. People tend to use it for a rather dreamy "glowing" effect. Its character is very different from the Skopar you mention. Sounds like an odd combination.
Cheers,
Dez
I wear glasses, so the RF focusing feature is important to me, consequently a II, which does not have this feature isn't very useful to me. The II and III models do not have the 1/1000 speed.
IIIA vs IIIC is mostly a matter of aesthetics in my opinion, although most people prefer the RF arrangement of the IIIC. Personally, I prefer the rather scarce IIIB, which has the more modern RF design in the slightly smaller IIIA body dimensions.
The Summar is a rather special lens, with extremely low contrast and a tendency for severe flare. People tend to use it for a rather dreamy "glowing" effect. Its character is very different from the Skopar you mention. Sounds like an odd combination.
Cheers,
Dez
Erik van Straten
Veteran
IIIA vs IIIC is mostly a matter of aesthetics in my opinion
A IIIc is inside completely different, more modern and more reliable.
The Summar is a rather special lens, with extremely low contrast and a tendency for severe flare.Its character is very different from the Skopar you mention. Sounds like an odd combination.
I agree with Dez here. You can better look for a Color Skopar 50mm f/2.5.
Erik.
Bruno Gracia
Well-known
Finally I've bought the IIIC with the 28 Skopar I have.
Thank You very much! Is so niceee! it feels like a tank but much smaller in the hands.
Thank You very much! Is so niceee! it feels like a tank but much smaller in the hands.
potcab
Newbie
Flat Twin
Film Shooter
Flat Twin
Film Shooter
HuubL
hunter-gatherer
THAT IS A BEAUTY!
Dralowid
Michael
Now that is interesting...although it looks like an early conversion (large shutter dial, stepped v/f window and lavatory bowl etc) it has, I think, paint filled engraving and a later shutter release.
Nice one. Flat Twin, your 'monica' celebrates the Coventry Victor I assume?!?
Nice one. Flat Twin, your 'monica' celebrates the Coventry Victor I assume?!?
Flat Twin
Film Shooter

Thanks Huub.
Michael, flat twins of the air cooled German variety I'm afraid!
The engraving isn't paint filled, it looks metallic/silvery in colour so I assumed it was woods metal? I have uploaded another (bad!) picture of the top for info... I don't know much about it except that it had been owned by the same chap in Germany for the last 35 years or so...
Its a sweet little camera and it shoots really nicely. I have my first roll going through now. Any more info anybody may have is most welcomed!
Best,
Simon
Dralowid
Michael
You could at least have a Douglas! I had better stop.
Sorry, yes, from the picture it is Woods Metal (bismuth/bismut).
Very nice, congrats!
Michael
Sorry, yes, from the picture it is Woods Metal (bismuth/bismut).
Very nice, congrats!
Michael
screwthread
Member
Dralowid
Michael
Very nice indeed. Also great to see unsynchronised post war conversions. They both appear to have the higher top housing that could have accommodated sync if so requested.
I'm sure you already know 77972 was a '32 II that became a III and 104958 (?) a Standard that became a II.
Thanks for posting, reckon Erik will appreciate these.
Michael
I'm sure you already know 77972 was a '32 II that became a III and 104958 (?) a Standard that became a II.
Thanks for posting, reckon Erik will appreciate these.
Michael
Dralowid
Michael
I've been looking for one of these for years and finally, when I have no spare cash, one comes along...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leica-1-M...ography_VintageCameras_SM&hash=item1c3da5429b
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leica-1-M...ography_VintageCameras_SM&hash=item1c3da5429b
Erik van Straten
Veteran
The pictures looks like those from Westlicht.
The knobs look original.
later added:
No, the windknob doesn't. Such an early number should have a low profile and finely knurled windknob.
The longer one looks, the stranger the camera seems to be.
Erik.
john neal
fallor ergo sum
Oh, Michael, that's nice - I'm spent up too, having just invested in a M9-P 
Interesting that it has a blanked off slow speed area and the number on the lens suggests post 1930, so probably a post-war conversion and not the original lens?
Nice low serial though...
Interesting that it has a blanked off slow speed area and the number on the lens suggests post 1930, so probably a post-war conversion and not the original lens?
Nice low serial though...
Dralowid
Michael
Erik,
Yes you are right, I thought the technique in the pictures looked familiar...all of a sudden it maybe becomes too good to be true...but I wouldn't know and am not implying anything.
John,
I had assumed a post war conversion from I to Standard, I think such a thing appears on that price list that was posted on this thread a long time ago. Just bought another boat, hence no dosh. Congrats on the M9!!! I'm sticking with the Nex 6 + Summaron.
As to price, again the London dealer through whom I sell things (to fund boats) sees no premium in conversions, but Westlicht does.
Michael
Yes you are right, I thought the technique in the pictures looked familiar...all of a sudden it maybe becomes too good to be true...but I wouldn't know and am not implying anything.
John,
I had assumed a post war conversion from I to Standard, I think such a thing appears on that price list that was posted on this thread a long time ago. Just bought another boat, hence no dosh. Congrats on the M9!!! I'm sticking with the Nex 6 + Summaron.
As to price, again the London dealer through whom I sell things (to fund boats) sees no premium in conversions, but Westlicht does.
Michael
HuubL
hunter-gatherer
Nice camera, very clean and looks like the original nickel knobs are there. But where is that shutter guard thingy... 
Apart from the conversion from I(A) to standard, which happened somewhere in the thirties (otherwise it would still have had the round accessory shoe and a different shutter knob), this camera had a second, post-war conversion (probably in the 1950s) where the slow speed cover plate and the eyelets were added (I guess at that time it got a new camera shell).
But I guess it could be a single postwar conversion as John pointed out.
If the four-digit number is real, I doubt it has much original metal in it left.
Apart from the conversion from I(A) to standard, which happened somewhere in the thirties (otherwise it would still have had the round accessory shoe and a different shutter knob), this camera had a second, post-war conversion (probably in the 1950s) where the slow speed cover plate and the eyelets were added (I guess at that time it got a new camera shell).
But I guess it could be a single postwar conversion as John pointed out.
If the four-digit number is real, I doubt it has much original metal in it left.
Dralowid
Michael
Nice camera, very clean and looks like the original nickel knobs are there. But where is that shutter guard thingy...![]()
As I've said before, find yourself the right bicycle valve retaining ring and you are nearly there!
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