Leica X2...

boomguy57 said:
... Constant price increases (and not incremental ones, either) are hurting people's interest. ... For most of us, budget constraints are real.
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I'm reasonably satisfied from my x1 and the external VF. The cost was high. The quality good. But even if 70% of my shots (on film) are with the 35mm lens sometimes using the x1 I miss for the other 30% of shots a longer lens (face portraits etc). Thinking of this IMO 3.000 are too much for a fix lens camera (35 or 50 does not matter).

Anyway I'm curious to know what we'll happen in a few days (announcement and following comments!).

robert, still loving the x1 ...
 
jippiejee said:
The truth will probably be that Leica has left my planet. When I bought my X1, there was no alternative really. It was a beautiful compact camera with a aps-c sensor and a sharp lens and though not cheap, I bought it used within the first weeks after launch and the costs could be justified since this would be such a great camera for travel and there was hardly anything else offering dslr quality in such a small package. But now? If it comes with an aps-c sensor again, how much better than a Samsung NX or Sony Nex will it really be? It should be full-frame with a fast lens to be relevant at that price point. And even then, it's still a point and shoot. For us$3000...
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While I believe it is more than just a P&S, I have to agree with the rest of this. It was exactly why I bought the X1 when it came out. Now the X2 doesn't seem to offer me much.
 
Ignorant question, is the x1 (and future x2) built in germany or in developing countries where labor is dirt cheap? Seems hard compete with the Sony's of the world when significant differences in labor standards are allowing those mfgs to charge a lot less because they pay a lot less to their assembly line workers. Something to think about...though I still can't afford to sometimes buy the "right thing".

I'm also not a fanboy or arguing that $3k is close to the actual costs, just wondering really.
 
Most of Leica's 'mechanical' metal labor is done in their Portugal annex. Then the electronics are added and fine-tuned in Germany.
 
The difference between the f2.8 lens of the X1 and the rumored f1.4 lens of the X2 is potentially immense and worth paying extra for. I would give it serious consideration if the X2 was the same size as the X1 and has a great full frame sensor. Otherwise, you can get the Fuji X100 for 1/3 the price or the Fuji X Pro 1 for 2/3 the price.
 
Whoops I jumped on that rumor too soon.... Leica Rumors is now predicting that "the new Leica X2 will probably have the same 28mm Elmarit lens as in the X1" :(
 
noirist said:
Whoops I jumped on that rumor too soon.... Leica Rumors is now predicting that "the new Leica X2 will probably have the same 28mm Elmarit lens as in the X1" :(
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Don't worry, you can start a better rumour yourself. Or just wait a few more hours to see what they announce. :)
 
So - the X2 is out - it is pretty much X1 with ability to take on a 1.4 Mpix EVF and 16 Mpix sensor. Lens is the same, body shows nearly no differences. Price will probably go up. Screen has the same 230k pixels.

Personally - I like that Leica kept the small form factor, but I would have liked to see more updates to the X1 (which IQ wise is great). I hoped that Leica will remove the AA filter from X2, but that does not seem to be the case.

Let's see about the performance ...
 
Matus said:
So - the X2 is out - it is pretty much X1 with ability to take on a 1.4 Mpix EVF and 16 Mpix sensor. Lens is the same, body shows nearly no differences. Price will probably go up. Screen has the same 230k pixels.

Personally - I like that Leica kept the small form factor, but I would have liked to see more updates to the X1 (which IQ wise is great). I hoped that Leica will remove the AA filter from X2, but that does not seem to be the case.

Let's see about the performance ...
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Yes, let us wait and see about the performance. I love the compact form that fits in my pocket.

Does anyone know if the ISO performance is any different to compensate for the same 2.8 lens?:confused:
 
It's hard for me to see where this fits in the market... used M8s sell for less... new X100/Xpro1s sell for less... X1s are going to go for less now... I may be missing something, but I can't figure out who would want an X2.

Then again, I guess it is possible the performance (resolution/iso/????) is going to be dramatically different than the X1?

Strange times..
 
No in-built vf, no care. Especially when a competitor camera has a superb OVF/EVF arrangement for under half the price.

imo.
 
dave lackey said:
Yes, let us wait and see about the performance. I love the compact form that fits in my pocket.

Does anyone know if the ISO performance is any different to compensate for the same 2.8 lens?:confused:
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Refer to Pentax K-5, K-01, Nikon D7000, D5100, Sony NEX-5N, NEX-C3, a580 and numerous other cameras for reference on sensor performance.

Finally Leica's putting the red dot on this two-year-old Sony 16MP sensor, which will see replacement this summer.

Truly good sensor it is, though.


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The other problem is probably the AF on the X series. Won't know until it's been widely available to users...
 
They needed to update the optics too. F=2.0 or 1.4. I'd still rather have an x100 or x-pro 1... Sad thing...
 
As much as I like the X1, and no other compact digital camera will get me to purchase them, I am underwhelmed and puzzled about the X2. IMO, there were three things that needed to be changed:

1. Faster lens
2. Higher resolution
3. Built-in viewfinder

We got....one of those. :(

Resolution? Meh...we'll take the higher res...:rolleyes:

But the kicker is the 2.8 lens. The lens, when extended, makes the X1/X2 virtually the same size as my IIIF with the Industar 26. Not pocketable. Then, adding the VF, now EVF, it is a large camera...not so good. And then the 2.8 aperture....the camera is soooo good it deserves at least a 2.0.:eek:

Why is it so hard to change the lens? I can live with a brightline VF but the lens is too slow to compete with the competition.

Still, the image quality of the X1 is very, very good. I suppose the X2 will be as well. I can certainly live with the X1, I like it that much, but a golden opportunity was missed. Sure, the X2 has been improved somewhat over the X1.

And I don't even care about the price, but, I remain underwhelmed and confused.:confused:
 
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