Roger Hicks
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Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
You can get flames painted on a car hood at very low cost too, it doesn't mean that all car owners will see the same value in having them.
pachuco
El ****
Can they name the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court? If they don't then the Supreme Court only applies to old-timer court people
You just blew my mind!
Roger Hicks
Veteran
And this will give the P+S market better pictures at lower cost, with smaller cameras? Historically, the trend has ALWAYS been to smaller formats: lenses are easier to build, d-o-f is greater, cameras are smaller (including smaller lens-to-film distances).
So I repeat: why?
(Quite apart from the fact that I am reasonably confident that you are completely wrong. Do not bother to address this part of the argument.)
Cheers,
R.
sam_m
Well-known
Hey, at least they're taking pictures.
zerrax
Member
Leica mini M
Leica mini M
To tell you the truth I'm making very beautifull pictures right now with a Sony DSLR camera, but I'm still missing something in my pictures.
A DSLR is way to big to make those precious private portret shots, people
see you coming miles away with your big camera...
On my photography art school most students have Canon, Nikon DSLR's. but the students don't even have clue what a typical 35 mm prime lens can do with their photographs, they all have zoom's and shoot their pictures with random settings.
The lenses are very important to get that special look on your picture, Leica has special lenses that can do that, give your picture that extra, that you won't get with your Sigma,Tamron vacation zoom on your DSLR....
It's a shame that the Noctilux is no longer available, for this was my dream lens, this lens can make your pictures look just like paintings
and this the difference between Canon,Nikon photographers and Leica photographers, if you just want a picture buy a DSLR, if you want to capture life, and transform it into art buy a Leica.
Leica mini M
To tell you the truth I'm making very beautifull pictures right now with a Sony DSLR camera, but I'm still missing something in my pictures.
A DSLR is way to big to make those precious private portret shots, people
see you coming miles away with your big camera...
On my photography art school most students have Canon, Nikon DSLR's. but the students don't even have clue what a typical 35 mm prime lens can do with their photographs, they all have zoom's and shoot their pictures with random settings.
The lenses are very important to get that special look on your picture, Leica has special lenses that can do that, give your picture that extra, that you won't get with your Sigma,Tamron vacation zoom on your DSLR....
It's a shame that the Noctilux is no longer available, for this was my dream lens, this lens can make your pictures look just like paintings
and this the difference between Canon,Nikon photographers and Leica photographers, if you just want a picture buy a DSLR, if you want to capture life, and transform it into art buy a Leica.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
This is perhaps a slight overstatement, and one that will get you lots of flak, but it makes the important point that you want the right tool for the job and for you. Too many people say, "All you need is..." (usually "what I've got" or "what I'm currently fantasizing about") while others say, "It doesn't matter what camera you use," which is a bit like saying "It doesn't matter what you eat." It may not matter to them but it sure as hell matters to you.
Cheers,
R.
SR1
Established
What's the obsession with full frame?
The M8 need the help of a computer to correct the vignetting on wide lens and that will just get worse with full frame, unless the M9 becomes much wider bodied.
A full frame M with the same dimensions would be more computer than camera.
"You can't change the laws of physics" as Scotty once said!
Regards
SR
The M8 need the help of a computer to correct the vignetting on wide lens and that will just get worse with full frame, unless the M9 becomes much wider bodied.
A full frame M with the same dimensions would be more computer than camera.
"You can't change the laws of physics" as Scotty once said!
Regards
SR
yanidel
Well-known
You are right and it links back to other posts on this thread. The younger people not aware of Leica are probably not aware of what full frame means. In the end, if you never used film and M mount cameras (this must already be probably 98% of camera users), you don't care. If you switch to a M system, you just start from scratch with a 1.3 crop factor, but since you don't know about the FF look you just learn your lens without baseline.
dazedgonebye
Veteran
Yea, but somehow, Scotty always got them through.
No, you can't change physics, but you can find ways of dealing with it. The current sensor gets pretty creative in addressing the problem. Who knows what some guy lots smarter than you or I will come up with next?
In the long term, you never lose betting on technology coming through with a solution. If there's money to be had, someone will find a way to solve a problem.
ferider
Veteran
Yea, but somehow, Scotty always got them through.
No, you can't change physics, but you can find ways of dealing with it. The current sensor gets pretty creative in addressing the problem. Who knows what some guy lots smarter than you or I will come up with next?
In the long term, you never lose betting on technology coming through with a solution. If there's money to be had, someone will find a way to solve a problem.
It's not a big problem, really. Every stop of vignetting needs one additional bit in color depth for correction. The new Nikon sensor could do it and still end up with > 12 bit color depth.
Roland.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
For the convenience of those who use digital and film side by side, to save them having to carry (and buy!) two sets of lenses. To match the 21-35-75 set for my MP I need 16-28-50 for my M8, and even then, they don't quite match. If you have been using a lens for so long that you almost instinctively know its coverage, multiplication factors are tiresome in the extreme.
Anyway, Leica is aiming for full-frame.
Cheers,
R.
tomasis
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I want use Angulon as Angulon. Nothing else
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Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
This is another recap of my "it all tastes like chicken" theory. Some people just plainly don't care, or have the tastebuds to know/appreciate the difference. Or the enzymes.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
What's the obsession with calling it an obsession?
If you had a Ferrari, and all of the sudden you're restricted to driving it on a mini golf course, asking for the appropriate road for your Ferrari's intended venue of use isn't an "obsession". It's a requirement.
Unless you own a Smartcar.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
:angel: I do that sometimes. I'm the anti-beta-blocker.
kevin m
Veteran
No, it's pure wacko.
The very notion that something you buy is going to transform either your craft or your life is, honestly, a delusion. But I'm sure the marketing arm of every camera maker loves it when consumers think like that...
rxmd
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This is not quite true, of course, because you run into trouble as soon as vignetting in low light gets close to the sensor's sensitivity threshold. If the sensor doesn't resolve the dark areas anymore, the fact that it resolves the brighter areas with an extra bit of precision doesn't save your day.
That said, the new Nikon sensor has quite good low-light characteristics. The main problem with such a software-based approach to vignetting is that there is no way to know what lens is mounted, especially since everybody and their mom paints black and white stripes on their Zeiss lenses.
Philipp
rxmd
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No they won't. Chip area costs money.
I know that everybody thinks that CPUs and RAM and stuff have gotten a lot cheaper over time so sensors will, too. However, computer chips get cheaper mainly because you can build them smaller. You can't build a full-frame sensor any smaller than 24x36, so while their cost does scale down, it does so considerably slower than everything else in electronics.
There will never be a full-frame P&S camera and only a couple of APS-C P&S cameras.