kehng
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Great. Just got text messages and Facebook messages from friends and neighbours saying Hackney is kicking off again... Gonna have to cancel our artist talk at the Gallery in Shoreditch tonight.
London Riots
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kully
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Deploying the army on mainland Britain would be a big step, what happened in Northern Ireland will keep that option as a last resort (not to mention what has happened in Iraq and Afghanistan).
Suprised Larky hasn't been out with his camera.
Suprised Larky hasn't been out with his camera.
emraphoto
Veteran
indeed Jamie. in the race to pick a side it would be foolish to not step back a moment and ask questions. we have seen it happen on a much larger scale recently and the question 'why' still remains. unless of course the ubiquitous 'terrorist' suffices for you.
Nigel Meaby
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Yes we have to remember they are a product of the society we live in and have created. They haven't just randomly evolved this way. Babies/Children don't begin life bad. It's the external influences of society that create these youths in a large part.
lynnb
Veteran
link to readers' photos on the Telegraph site:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...the-rioting-and-looted-areas-of-the-city.html
my young daughter looked in astonishment at the TV news and said "but isn't London supposed to be a civilised place?".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...the-rioting-and-looted-areas-of-the-city.html
my young daughter looked in astonishment at the TV news and said "but isn't London supposed to be a civilised place?".
Nigel Meaby
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Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization
"I think it would be a good idea." 😀
"I think it would be a good idea." 😀
hans voralberg
Veteran
Well you guys in London and other city that have riot, be safe.
daninjc
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true, but they should know better than looting and rioting. UK is a democratic country and people can demonstrate pacifically in public spaces, as hundred of spanish young people did for days (los indignados de porta del sol in madrid for example). I have the impression that the arab spring was born under much heavier un-democratic premises.
tritiated
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The answer to the question "why?", is straightforward: because they think they can get away with stealing and burning and breaking things. Real protesters give a name and a face to a cause, they don't hide behind a mask.
Nigel Meaby
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Well yes everyone should know better than to loot, riot, rape, torture, etc, etc but they still take place in societies when something has broken down.
Nigel Meaby
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I don't have the answers but that is far too simplistic!
emraphoto
Veteran
well i appreciate your feelings however i wouldn't be developing public policies on so simple an approach. otherwise the possibility of a repeat would be a certainty. that would be a policy failure.
pleased don't mistake my position as an endorsement of the behavior or as an excuse. i have very strong feelings about that sort of thing (violence).
Peter_Jones
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I think they do it because there will be a stream of do-gooders on TV saying "There, there" to them and making lame excuses for them. These "communities" already get barrowloads of taxpayers money thrown at them and look what happens. These people are not living in "poverty" (especially after they've been to Cash Converters), check out the designer clothes.
Give 'em a lick of the cat !
Give 'em a lick of the cat !
claacct
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This iphone generation is something...
Paul Luscher
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Hey, if things keep going in this country the way they are, you'll have the opportunity to get those kind of photographs right here.
Jamie123
Veteran
They should know better but they obviously don't. I've seen some some youtube videos of interviews of rioters and they seem both very frustrated and incredibly ignorant. While I've lived in London for a short while a couple of years ago, I can't say I follow British politics closely but I do think these riots raise a lot of questions. Where does all this anger come from and why does the bulk of the rioters seem so uneducated?
AFAIK the core of the spanish 'los indignados' protesters were students and I think the revolution in Egypt also came out of a highly educated but disenfranchised youth.
tritiated
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I don't suggest anyone is making excuses or justifying this behaviour!
I'm suggesting that the looters are motivated by a confidence that they can't be stopped in such relatively well-organised, large numbers. A precedent has been set whereby communication is much more efficient and policing this is much more difficult. The flash points are less predictable it seems. And I'd say that this confidence will bring about repeats based on this precedent, evidence of this may be seen in copycat action occurring across other cities.
These guys were always scumbags I bet. And these girls give a little taste of the 'motivation'.
I'm suggesting that the looters are motivated by a confidence that they can't be stopped in such relatively well-organised, large numbers. A precedent has been set whereby communication is much more efficient and policing this is much more difficult. The flash points are less predictable it seems. And I'd say that this confidence will bring about repeats based on this precedent, evidence of this may be seen in copycat action occurring across other cities.
These guys were always scumbags I bet. And these girls give a little taste of the 'motivation'.
Jamie123
Veteran
So do you suggest that anyone in any society would start rioting and looting if they knew they could get away with it? I know I wouldn't. Sure they might be scumbags but why are there so many of them? Does the buck stop with them? They obviously can't put all of them (and the next generations) in jail so they should look for other solutions.
Paul Luscher
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