Losing Intrest in this site

FrankS said:
What George said.

The technical issues can be resolved. The human ones are more difficult.
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Hopefully, the coming of the new RFF book will help redirect us all back to what this forum is all about.
 
About 2 years ago, Photo.net went down and we lost almost a month's worth of posts. Across the entire site. That's probably thousands of posts. And many of us (myself included) paid a subscription fee. We pay a similar subscription fee at APUG and it's been quite stable, though sometimes as slow as RFF (I'm on a fast connection all the time, though, so if speed is proportional to connection speed - though it really shouldn't be linear - then slow for me is still pretty fast for others).

That RFF is somewhere in the middle - stable, but sometimes slow - seems just fine to me. The site is growing. I wouldn't give up on it yet. How many good communities do you really find on the internet?

About having a soapbox-esque forum (or, rather, confining more argumentative stuff to the ANFSCD forum) - I'll admit that I've been more combatitive than I should be on here (I will say that I think my posts to George's recent "desaturate" thread is out of character, though - I'm not usually like _that_). I'll try to tone it down, in case I have upset anyone.

allan
 
flashover said:
thanks for all the responses to my rant. I was just venting my frustration with the performance and I know George is working on it. Oh and don't hold any bad feelings toward the seller as he did what he thought was fair and the problems I am having are not his. Hope the new owner can get it up and running. Its realy a nice camera. John
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I'd hardly categorize this as a rant--just a bit of healthy purging, which you should feel free to do. If it'll make you feel better you have my permission to fantasize about
Christie Turlington like I do. I am not a selfish person.

Fred
 
Jorge,


Thank you for providing a wonderful service. I know your job is difficult. I appreciate the effort.

Thank you,
 
The guy that runs this site seems to be on top of the issues and since I pay the same for this site as I do for a drink of water at the water fountain I say thanks for letting us know of the problems and glad to here your working them....All I can say about certain threads is don't bother with them. There is still a wealth of good info here and I apreciate it greatly. The fact that I have to wade through som BS to get there is just life in a forum I think.
 
I am sympathetic to those who may have problems with the site and some of the people who post here. But frankly, while the site has been unstable I have gotten more work done at home (and at work).

I am particularly sympathetic with Jorge's plight. He has a contest that he arranged with an advertiser ending in a few days. I am sure that he is sweating bullets at this point.

As for the rest: I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.
 
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yossarian said:
If it'll make you feel better you have my permission to fantasize about
Christie Turlington like I do. I am not a selfish person.

Fred
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I wonder what lens gives this type of bokeh?

Wayne
 

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Jocko said:
I think I may be one of those RFF'ers to whom Jan refers. I wonder if it might be an idea to scrap the OT/general discussion forum, then at least it might be clear to all that we talk about photography. As it is, things are awful.

Ian
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You may be onto something. OT and GD seem to generate more altercations than purpose driven discussion forums on every forum covering any topic I've ever been on. Just how animated can you get discussing Rodinal vs Diafine? Ok, some folks still do it but they're still more likely to agree to disagree on that subject than they are any of the other unconstrained topics.
 
jaapv said:
Lets get back to our core business: photography. And the site IS a lot better today.
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Statement like this always makes me laugh. How much can you TALK about photography?

I hunch the ones who hang around here everyday and post like madmen dont' do much photography. The ones who do are not here, I am pretty sure.
 
grizzz said:
The guy that runs this site seems to be on top of the issues...
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No he is not. He's a nice guy and is building a great community but seems to have to move servers frequently and the site needs tidying up.

Even if speed increases after the the next server move we'll be back here within six weeks needing a new server.

And there are site-wide errors which I told Jorge about several months ago.

I run sites myself and if somebody told me of a spelling error on a landing page I'd correct it same day. Jorge hasn't done that in about six months since I pointed it out, and that makes him seem like somebody who is not on top of his site.

As well as the spelling Jorge needs to sort out the speed issues, make the navigation consistent and rationalize the forums.

Thank you Jorge for setting up this site, I like what you write also, but it's time to get the professionals in to take it to the next level.
 
flashover said:
Take this with a grain of salt as I am a upset with the performance of the site. I went after a camera body posted for sale. The end result was someone else is the happy new owner. Two posts were made for the item and both appeared at the same time. I just have an issue when it takes over 4 mins to get a post on and the 3 or 4 trys to get a PM out. ~~snip~~
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John,

I am the guy who got the camera. I am sorry that you feel shut out. I also very narrowly missed a camera and a lens. If it makes you feel better, there are two things to keep in mind.

First, I logged on to the first thread before the second thread was posted. I did not see the second thread until after I posted then sent a PM on the first. You responded to the second thread. Did you click on the first thread and it did not respond, so you clicked on the second? Is that how you got to the second thread?

Second, I also spent several frustrating minutes with failed PM and post attempts on the first thread. I had several timeouts. Whether they were web/communication or database locking issues I don't know.
 
Hi I Noticed you recived the camera and Like I said my complaint was with the site not the seller or buyer. I didn't even notice the double post till after and the looked at the post times. They were the same for both of us. I thinkl this body was the one Frank S had and throught him I had for a couple of days untill the shutter curtain issue was discovered. I have since replaced it with a Leica IIIc , but realy did like that body. Oh the RF window bezzel from a Fed 2 is a perfect fit for the round window. John K
 
Unsolicited Two-Cent Donation.

Unsolicited Two-Cent Donation.

I know I should probably not wade in water as it's getting deeper, but I'd like to publicly thank Jorge for maintaning this place for us, free of charge, where many of us spend a lot of our time - and enjoyably so.

I may be more easygoing than some others, but I have zero complaints about the administration of this site. And so, thanks. To the mods, as well.

And now, back to photography.


Cheers,
--joe.
 
I won't give up on this site. In fact, it's run a heck of a lot better by Jorge than if I were doing it. As for speed issues... they come and go. What's really good about this place is the human component (whether bickering or not). Things happen all the time, but all in all, with or without trolls, aggressive behavior and other things, I feel a lot freer posting questions and news here than in any other forum. After having seen some of my threads torn to shreds in a particular forum, I decided NEVER to post another there.

Of course, some of my threads have been kindly ignored here... but heck, I'm not taking it personally. Some people care about Rodinal, others (like me) still don't, but that's variety, the spice of life, right?

So, keep talking! :)
 
flashover said:
Hi I Noticed you recived the camera and Like I said my complaint was with the site not the seller or buyer. I didn't even notice the double post till after and the looked at the post times. They were the same for both of us. I thinkl this body was the one Frank S had and throught him I had for a couple of days untill the shutter curtain issue was discovered. I have since replaced it with a Leica IIIc , but realy did like that body. Oh the RF window bezzel from a Fed 2 is a perfect fit for the round window. John K
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John,

I was not faulting you, but rather trying to make you feel a little better. Thanks about the bezel note.
 
Jocko said:
I think I may be one of those RFF'ers to whom Jan refers. I wonder if it might be an idea to scrap the OT/general discussion forum, then at least it might be clear to all that we talk about photography. As it is, things are awful.

Ian
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The general discussion forum has had too much dissing and too much cussing lately. Just my 2¢ worth.

R.J.
 
I think we ought to turn this site over to McCain and Feingold for 'reform'.. then you'll all be able to talk about how great it was before it was 'fixed' ;)
 
Jon Claremont said:
No he is not. He's a nice guy and is building a great community but seems to have to move servers frequently and the site needs tidying up.

Even if speed increases after the the next server move we'll be back here within six weeks needing a new server.

And there are site-wide errors which I told Jorge about several months ago.

I run sites myself and if somebody told me of a spelling error on a landing page I'd correct it same day. Jorge hasn't done that in about six months since I pointed it out, and that makes him seem like somebody who is not on top of his site.

As well as the spelling Jorge needs to sort out the speed issues, make the navigation consistent and rationalize the forums.

Thank you Jorge for setting up this site, I like what you write also, but it's time to get the professionals in to take it to the next level.
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When I said he was on top of the issues all I meant was he has made us aware of them and is working on them. that honestly is all I can ask for something I'm getting for free. If this was a pay site I think many people would have some issues with the performance, I'm not sure how many would care to much about a few spelling errors. I will be honest i don't look to much at the astetics of the site and you very well may be right on alot of technical isssues the site may need. And if so i am not looking to nag you for it, you very well may be right. it does what i need it to do though and for that i am greatful. Besides I'm sure I have a half dozen mispelled words and grammer errors just in this post :p
 
I would be happy if the modertors quickly moved any thread which begins as, or evolves into a discussion that contains whining, arguements about film vs digital, politics, religion, and other devisive stuff, to the "and now for something completely different" forum. If a thread disappears and you want to get/stay involved, you'll know where to find it: on the "Forums" page. Since it is hidden from view on the "Active Forums" page, most will be spared from having to view it, and visitors may miss it too. Perhaps it should be open to registered members only, as it probably does not demonstrate our finest qualities. Jorge has said that there will be no censorship on the "completely different" forum other than for profanity. If you feel like an arguement, go over there.

Hello I've come here for an arguement.
No you haven't.
Yes I have.
No you haven't.
Well, this is hardly a good argument.
Yes it is.
You're jsut disagreeing.
No I'm not.

PS: Any"Why was my thread moved" posts would be moved there as well and folks could complain to their heart's content. Just don't swear. :)
 
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Consistency within a site is very important. So is the organization. With consistency and clear organization people can find their way around. It is very little work really to make the navigation consistent and to reorganize the topics a little.

A spelling error on a landing page is just plain sloppy.

The content is fine, the moderation is variable and the people are (generally) great people with a lot of knowledge and experience.
 
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