semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Something to bear in mind is that CCD sensors do age -- pixels take cosmic ray hits and go dead or hot.
useless generation
Established
Why release a "new" Leica ME with the same sensor as the M9? I thought they couldn't get ahold of more sensors as they stopped making them? So what happenes when they run put of the CCD sensors in a few years and you can't replace it of it stops working?
moreammo
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Ding, i think you hit the nail on the head there
crazy leica, crazy. not for me but some will love it i am sure.moreammo
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Maybe i am wrong, i think only the M8 sensors are no longer available in production
fstops
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Ding, i think you hit the nail on the head there
Not so crazy because Leica market is now east Asia where the name Leica itself is the product, the rest is just icing on the cake.
moreammo
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this is true
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
But the press releases & promotional materials for the M9 sure did.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
It's not a huge issue but lead bags will do exactly nothing to help. Cosmic rays are energetic enough to go through a lead bag like it's tissue paper. That's why Kodak (sigh) store their master film rolls in caves miles beneath-ground.
kmallick
Well-known
I am waiting for that Noctilux movie thread...
furcafe
Veteran
Not for me. Not more than on an X-Pro1 that I can tell. At least w/the current state of technology (& certainly w/Leica being a step or 2 behind everybody when it comes to electronics), an EVF w/focus peaking would not be my 1st option. Live view, with or without an EVF, would be most useful for the occasional long lens, out-of-digital-spec vintage glass, or macro/close-focus. As I wrote earlier re: video, it's there if you want it, but nobody's forcing you to use it. AFAIK, the only technical cost is the extra 5mm of thickness added by the new features & that's not a big deal for me.
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Sam Kanga
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The M seems more like what the M9 should have been as far as basic operation is concerned:
good sensor and better colour (hopefully)
longer battery life
quicker image processing
Take a look at this video with Jean Gaumy - he's got the right idea regarding the red dot: http://vimeo.com/49544593
The video aspect and focus peaking, EVF etc don't interest me, but they are features others seem to want in an M series camera
thanks
Sam
good sensor and better colour (hopefully)
longer battery life
quicker image processing
Take a look at this video with Jean Gaumy - he's got the right idea regarding the red dot: http://vimeo.com/49544593
The video aspect and focus peaking, EVF etc don't interest me, but they are features others seem to want in an M series camera
thanks
Sam
robklurfield
eclipse
Know why they're keeping the red dot? Simple. In six months or a year, they'll come out with some limited edition without the dot for $1000 more.
Anyway, both the M and the M-E look to be cool tools and out of my budget.
I wonder what the electro Viso flex EVF is going to cost?
Everyone should have been buying up R glass before today because, no doubt, the demand and prices will both rise and we'll all be kicking ourselves for having not been clairvoyant.
Anyway, both the M and the M-E look to be cool tools and out of my budget.
I wonder what the electro Viso flex EVF is going to cost?
Everyone should have been buying up R glass before today because, no doubt, the demand and prices will both rise and we'll all be kicking ourselves for having not been clairvoyant.
kmallick
Well-known
Can someone explain how did they get rid of the bright frame window in the new M? I understand that they have EVF, focus peaking etc. But they are still allowing the traditional RF focusing, correct? Its present in the M-E but missing from the M.
DougFord
on the good foot
...with that optional RF, perhaps in a couple of years (maybe less) being referred to in the marketing material as vestigial.
Anyway, that's the way I see it, fwiw. The other question is, who will announce a compact full frame interchangeable lens mirrorless camera w/evf only? The FF nex and the next version of the M are looking like natural born enemies.
doolittle
Well-known
'Film Advance' thumb wheel. The wonders of the modern age!
I like the built in thumbs-up and the improved lcd screen.
While the rest brings it up to date, I can't help thinking for digital there are uglier cameras out there that get the job done better.
It's not that there is anything wrong with it and it might be the perfect fit for many a photographer, it just seems too much of a compromise between trying to adhere to M tradition and keeping up with state of play.
That's my initial reaction anyway, might change with real world usage reports.
I like the built in thumbs-up and the improved lcd screen.
While the rest brings it up to date, I can't help thinking for digital there are uglier cameras out there that get the job done better.
It's not that there is anything wrong with it and it might be the perfect fit for many a photographer, it just seems too much of a compromise between trying to adhere to M tradition and keeping up with state of play.
That's my initial reaction anyway, might change with real world usage reports.
