M2 + 35mm bad - M3 + 50mm good

For me, the choice between 35 and 50 comes down to how wide the roads are. If it is an area with normal 2 lane roads, I prefer 50. If I am in narrow alleys or narrow one lane streets, I prefer 35. I think 35 is slightly more versatile, but i think 50 is slightly more flattering. I can shoot more rapidly, as well as much more comfortably from the hip with a 35, but I can get a better composition when I have time to really think and analyze with a 50. 35 is for a bit of context, 50 is for a bit of isolation. I 'see' pretty close to 42-43mm, so neither is particularly difficult for me composition-wise. All in all, I consider them equal.
 
Personally, I find that various shooting situations require different focal length lenes. Tight quarters often necessitate a wide angle lens. Portraiture lends itself to telephoto in general. Obviously, this is the reason different focal length lenses are manufactured.

Of course, many photographers have a favorite focal length lens based upon their shooting preferences or style. Yours is the 50mm on 35mm format.

I'm very glad we all have a choice.

What is it you don't like about the M2, Austerby?
 
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I just can't focus fast enough streetshooting candids of people w/ a 35 or a 50. I have much better luck with a 21 or 25 in hyperfocal.

Otherwise, when I have the time a 35 or 50 does just fine depending on the width of the subject/object.
 
Nah; M3+50 is a compromise; M2 or MP + 35 is a proper camera. ..

In other words, it's pure personal preference -- though if the M3 really were perfection, it'd be hard to see why just about every Leica since has also had a 35mm v/f frame.

Cheers,

R.

I agree on all counts. I just keep coming back to 35mm as the best middle for me. However, I see others who work exclusively with 50mm and longer and love what they do, so it can be a match made in heaven, just not for me. That said I am now using a M3 with 50mm, for when I want something longer. I shoot about 90 with a 28/35 and 5% each with 21/50.
 
One reason some users favor 50's is because serious camera/lens makers usually strive beyond the norm to perfect these lenses optically - they form the center piece of the lens line-up in a system camera. Another is that it is easier to produce a superior optic for a longer focal length than a shorter one. These factors lead to better (on average) image quality on a normal vs. a wide, and the user associates this with the lens focal length. Taken a step further, nearly all modern 135mm F2.8 SLR lenses are sharp as hell, but they don't dominate the user choice for an everyday-use lens since they are just too narrow in field. My point is that this preference for using a 50 is more a subconscious appreciation of their intrinsic sharpness and contrast rather than overall utility.

I myself enjoy lenses from very wide (say 15mm) to long telephotos such as 600mm (on SLR's of course as needed). All have their realm of application. I do indeed find the 35mm focal length to be particularly useful and I own more than one in both rangefinder and SLR systems.
 
It is interesting hearing different opinions about my favourite focal length (35mm), some which are somewhat tenuous but even so I'll respect that opinion (you are wrong of course *joke* 😀)

It got me thinking that a few years ago when my 24mm on my Canon EOS 5 broke (rainwater dripping down from an urban elevated mototorway right into the lens is not good) and I was left due to money circumstances to use a 50mm for about a year as I couldn't afford another lens.

At the time 50mm was the cheap go to lens and to start with, I didn't like it (and the 24mm was limited in its use too) -- after a while I began to appreciate it more. By that time I had moved on up to an EOS 3 (not the most discrete of cameras.... black, big aqnd a bang-slapper of a mirror) but I really learnt to love 50mm.

Then I tried 35mm.

I love both, but I probably love 35mm more.

This is why I love my M2, 35mm and 50mm in the body, no distracting unnecessary frame-lines and for the 50mm and the 35mm to an extent, I can observe the outer frame for both interesting things coming into play, but also when shooting landscapes or heavily aesthetically endowed scenes that there isn't a coke can in the bushes outside of the frame, in case the frame-lines are indicating a little to frugally.

It's horses for courses though and I respect your viewpoint.

Vicky
 
I do wonder how much of my choices come down to happenstance and susceptibility rather than being rational, logical, deductive reasoning.

I have a particular affinity for my M3 as it was my first Leica - the thrill I got upon acquisition has not diminished - and it came with a 50mm summicron. With than combination I initially produced a lot of terrible photos but there were one or two that stood out and were quite unlike any other photo I'd taken before. I began to realise the potential of the equipment and forums such as this one, and others, encouraged me to explore the world of Leica more. I began to wonder if I had made the wrong choice of initial purchase and then embarked on an aquisitive period when I bought many, many items of Leica and other gear. I've had enormous fun doing this and have taken more and better photographs as a direct result of being interested in the kit and using it in ways and in places I would not have tried taking photographs in before.

Recently, though the extent of the kit began to cause more problems than it answered - deciding what to take on a holiday for example would occupy me for days beforehand. This was not a good sign, so I decided to trim down my collection - which again caused many weeks and months of anguished decision making.

I decided to be brutal though and look through my photos to see which ones I was most satisfied with and would want to continue - to my surprise the M3 + 50mm combination came up again and again. The M2 did not, despite having a similar volume of films through it. Also, the 35mm did not.

When I came upon this realisation, everything fell into place and the weight of all that other kit lifted as quickly as I could package it up and send it off for sale. I've had no regrets so far and am revelling in my new found freedom from gear.

The question I suppose is whether I would have followed this same path had my first Leica been an M2 + 35mm? I'll never know.

Each to his own, absolutely, but I'm relieved that I'm not in such a minority after all.
 
For me, I think an M2 with a 35 is the closest there is to photographic heaven, but if you've tried it and it doesn't float your boat, then that's cool - at least you know.

I have to say I do use a 50 quite a lot too. With RFs it's usually a CV 50/2.5 on my R3A, because I love the 1:1 viewfinder (and I've always got a 50/1.4 on one of my OM SLRs).

But I do often feel I've missed out through never having had an M3 - maybe I'll rectify that some day.

Cheers,
 
as nice as the M3 is it is over-rated. The finder is exceptional, but the rest is like any other Leica M2/4/P. Cannot get the patch to whiteout and the 50mm lines are so bold and clear to see, but I find working with a 0.85 finder very close for 50mm and beyond, with the rest of the finder a touch brighter and less blue. The shutter release is very smooth as is the rest of the camera, but it does not contribute to anything as such. nicest 90mm lines by a fari margin is perhaps worth noting, but the cult status I am not so sure of. I pick up any of my Ms and as soon as I am shooting I dont really notice which is which.
 
Quite right, David. It's hardly a coincidence that all camera manufacturers make their best and fastest and most affordable lenses at the 50mm mark (or 75/80 for 120 film).
 
Austerby, you are not alone. I never get along with a 35mm lens well, though I have struggle to be fond of my 35mm very hard. I can't remember how many 35m I ever owned: 1 summicron, 2 M3 summaron 2.8,1 M2 summaron 2.8, 1 summaron 3.5 and two cv35/2.5 and one cv 35/1.7......now they all gone.

I can do everything with a 50mm lens in 95% case. another 5%, should be on a 28mm or 21mm.
 
I have both the M2 & M3, I know this is a little off base , but I use the Summicron 50 & have been using the CV 40mm 1.4 alot with my M3. I know the lines are off but the viewfinder is so nice with my old eyes & I just use the full viewfinder with the 40mm. The M2 viewfinder with the 50 lines with a little extra around the edge is nice & you always can used the frame selector to change the frame lines. The 40 cv is a great value along with the Summicron 40 & Rokkor 40. I had a 35 Summaron with eyes and sold it as I could not use it on both cameras, and the 40 's are less expensive as I needed soem extra cash.
 
Interesting to hear something different opinionwise as the "M2+35" has turned into a mantra in my head. Helps me to cool off a bit.
It took very long for me to grasp what focal length was all about:
I had a cheap 35...and simply did not notice what it was about....I bought a Nikkor 28/ 3.5 becuae it was cheap and had it unused for about 20 years....RF's made me appreciate the 35. And the fact that with an SLR +35 the things that were important were in focus more often then with 50mm)
For the first years with my Nikon FG it was 50mm (90%) and 135 (10% interestingly for available light concert photos)
then I went up to 58mm (helios + adapter....."the stranger the adapter, lens brand mix on a Nikon the greater the a***hole?)
Now it's with an RF 35 (60%) 50 (30%) others (85&21) the rest.
SLR: 35/2 and 85/2
DSLR: D40 + 50mm AF (60%)
 
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