M4 vs M7 (or what worked and what didn't at Angkor)

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I've just come back from an 8-day trip to Angkor Wat. While this was a holiday with my wife, I did bring along a full camera bag + monopod for photography.

This post is to share with all what worked and what didn't. It may be relevant to those who are shooting in third-world countries.

Equipment selection:

a. M7, M4, 24/2.8 Asph, 35/2 IV, 50/2DR + goggles, 90 TE, Minilux.

b. 1.25x, small flash, Ultrapod II, cable release, Leica lens carrier, Kirk QR plate, Gossen meter, 39 mm orange, KR3 filters, 39-55 step-up ring, 55 mm KR6, polarizer, 0.6 grad ND, orange and FL-D filters.

c. Monopod with Acratech ultimate ballhead.

d. About 50 rolls of film, mainly Velvia and R3. On daily basis, I carried about 10 rolls in the bag.

I decided to bring the above lenses rather than the 90/2 AA and 35/1.4 asph so I could share the 39 mm filters. The 55 mm filters were for the 24/2.8, no 39 mm options there.

I also debated whether to bring my 135/4 TE. Left it at home, although I did miss it for a few shots where the 90 mm wasn't long enough.

Weight was also a consideration. The modern lenses are heavy! Maybe I'm a weenie, but all the stuff above in my Hadley Pro was really heavy, even with an Optech weight-reducing strap!


1. M7 vs M4 (ie meter/AE vs manual)

No doubt about it, the M7's meter/AE is a life-saver. For snapshots in the streets, in the markets, when I barely have enough time to focus, when I don't have time to meter and set aperture and shutter speed, the M7 is the fastest gun in the west.

However, for planned shots (such as landscape pictures of the beautiful structures at Angkor Wat, the meter is less useful. On slide film, the M7 meter sometimes doesn't agree with my incident reading of the highlights. For B&W, I need to meter the shadows and the M7 meter is sometimes fooled by strong backlighting.

Yes, I know I can use exposure compensation, but unlike SLR's with a thumb wheel, the M7 exposure compensation dial position (against my nose) just sucks. Adjusting the aperture while locking the exposure is also not an option for me, especially in landscape shots, as I have already hyper-focused by determining the depth of field I want. And it's not possible anyway when I have a cable release. In any case, it doesn't have a spot meter for me to accurately meter the highlights or shadows.


2. Filter or no filter

No question about it, filters are necessary in dusty third-world countries. Unless you enjoy cleaning dust off the front elements of your $3k and up lenses, I suggest you filter every lens you have.

Because the dust from the roads kick up so easily, unless you can blow the dust off your filter before every shot, I'd say that it doesn't really matter what brand lens you use. Dust is the great leveller.


3. Colour & B&W

My M7 was largely dedicated to colour and the M4 to black and white. However, switching lenses between the bodies is a pain in a dusty environment. Worse was switching orange filters and polarizers between lenses. Now I wish I'd bought more than one orange filter!

This is really a problem for the dedicated B&W film shooter. Filters rob speed, and screwing/unscrewing them robs time. Even having different bodies for B&W and colour is not enough, unless you don't have to switch lenses. But that brings its own limitations and constraints.


4. Tripod or no tripod.

No doubt about it, Leica's can be used on a tripod, and for best results, that's where they belong. I borrowed a tripod for my Angkor Wat sunrise/sunset shots, and used a monopod for dimly lit interior shots (when a tripod would have obstructed passage ways, etc).

Don't believe those who say they can shoot handheld at 1/4 s-- yes I know they can, but at f1.4 or f1 there's just no depth of field and that's not what I want. Not to mention that handshake will inevitably be magnified with 16x20 and larger enlargements.


5. 35 vs 50.

I found the 35 mm more useful due to the larger depth of field. It also allows me to engage people from a closer distance, which was good for building rapport, while being able to take in their surroundings for context. I usually used f8 and hyperfocused, so that I was ready for a snapshot with my M7. Indeed, for most of my 35 mm shots, I used f8 or f11 for maximum depth of field, only using f4 when the light was poor.

In fact, I'm becoming something of a 35 mm shooter, the 35/2 IV is the lens most often used on my M7.

That said, the 35 does not replace the 50 (or vice versa), although the focal lengths are so near. The 50 is great for landscape shots (I find wide angles make mountains and distant subjects too small, and it's sometimes difficult to fill the foreground with interest). The 50 is also great for half-body portraits.


6. 24 and 90

The 24 is great for cramped interior shots and also for emphasising piles of rubble on the ground against the actual temple ruins and the skies in the background. It was also great for capturing the carved reliefs without standing so far away from the walls.

The 90 was used for distant silohuette shots of Cambodians frolicking in the mud pools at sunset without wading right into the water myself, although in retrospect I wish I had a 135.


7. Zooms vs primes

No zooms in Leica-land, of course, but I did wish I had a 3E. Would have saved the weight of one lens. I don't care for 28 mm-- it's not wide enough for interior shots-- but I could have used a 3E instead of a 35 and a 50.


8. AF vs Manual Focus

No AF's in Leica-land, of course, but the DOF markings on manual lenses are extremely useful for landscape shots, and for hyperfocusing/zone-focusing street shots.

With all the R&D $$ into DSLR's, you wonder why someone can't provide a calculated DOF for every focal length and aperture that appears on the LCD (or even in the viewfinder) so that you don't have to guess or do calculations in your head. Stopping down to preview is not a good way as the viewfinder becomes too dim, esp at f8 and above.

This is one area where manual lenses triumph over modern AF lenses and zoom lenses.


9. Leica makes you a better photographer.


Well, maybe not Leica per se, but certainly manual photography has made me understand photography much better. I think before I shoot, I look at the DOF scales, I think about whether I should meter the highlights or the shadows, I think about the contrast range vis a vis my film, I think about what shutter speed and aperture I should set, I look for distractions in the viewfinder before expending film, I aim to shoot just one or two frames at most (if bracketing).

I would not have done or understood this if I was an auto-everything photographer. And even now, with my M7, I still think very hard about exposure before I shoot, I don't just leave everything to the camera.


10. What worked, what didn't.

Things unused:

a. Close-up goggles for 50 DR-- I preferred to capture more of the carved reliefs (to tell a complete story) rather than individual carvings.
b. 1.25x magnifier-- no time to screw and unscrew in addition to changing the lens.
c. Ultrapod II-- I preferred to use the monopod. In any case, there were no tree branches in the interior of temples to mount the ultrapod against.
d. Spare batteries-- thankfully my M7 battery consumption wasn't that high.
e. FL-D filter-- wasn't necessary, no fluorescent lamps.


Everything else got some use, incl. the flash (for really dim interior shots). Yes-- your Leica can use flash.


11. Minilux

The minilux on my belt was my sidearm, used when I had no film in my M's or if they were in my bag and I needed to shoot quickly. For all its quirks, this camera produces lovely images.


12. Things lost/damaged

a. Dented my 12585 hood slightly when I slipped.
b. Lost my M7 flash sync port cover-- should have left it at home.
c. Lost my monopod cover (how did it drop?)
d. Chipped my ballhead slightly when it dropped.

All in, I got off lightly.


13. Results

I exposed 21 rolls over 8 days. It'll be next week before I can post any images. I'm doing my own B&W, but the slides will be ready likely after Christmas.

Hope to post some pictures soon.
 
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Sounds like you took a ton of equipment.

Granted it could have been worse.


I look forward to seeing your shots.

Funny thing is that my girlfriend is in Angkor right now. Should be on her way back to Taiwan any day now. 🙂
 
There's a point where your gadgetry becomes a burden and a distraction, and you find you have spent all your time futzing with equipment rather than experiencing anything around you.

Unless I was on a trip specifically for a paid photo assignment, I would never tote such a huge amount of equipment.

I hope the photos were worth it. Can't wait to see them.
 
2 bodies and 4 lenses is not a lot of equipment. SLR users, for instance, would take a 16-35, 24-70, 70-200 and 580EX flash and 1-2 pro bodies-- which would weigh a lot more!
 
Interesting post and I look forward to seeing your pics - looks like we just missed each other i returned from Siem Reap on the 7th December, i was over there for the photo festival the week before.

OT but did you enjoy the "new" one way signed route around Angkor Wat ? Lines of white string, no entry signs and directional arrows.....now it's not so easy to wander off and get lost. A great pity but sadly one of the consequences of the increased traffic now visiting the temples.
 
Simon,

I've read your interviews, very impressed by your Cambodian boy pictures, and your pictures of the torture room in Phnom Penh (which I didn't have enough time to go).

I haven't reached your standard, that's for sure.
 
Regarding the rangefinders vs DSLRs in weight and how much you can pack argument - I think the argument is almost even when you consider a nikon d40 with 18-200 VR is smaller than most rf kits with 2 bodies and a few lenses, as well as lighter.

I do understand taking the rangefinders though - if it was me on that trip I'd take my om2n with a few lenses as well as my 5d + 2/3 primes.

I can't wait to see your shots from it - will be watching!
 
waileong thanks for the comprehensive post. I spent three weeks in a third world country this summer and was surprised how used-looking my stuff was when I came back. I took two M7s and 35, 50 & 90mm lenses (all with UV filters). The film I took was all ISO100 - Agfapan and Realia. On a later trip (on which I had a car) I took the same bodies and 15, 35, 50, and 75mm. I really used the 15mm which turns out to be a great little addition - it hardly weighs anything. I hardly used the 50. I agree about the weight, my F-2 was bursting at the seams on some days and it did get a bit heavy. I took a brand new (and very light) monopod on the second trip to Ireland and didn't use it once! 🙄 I'm thinking for my next trip I may just take two bodies and the 15, 35 and 75. 35 and 75 cover almost everything for me and while I love my 50's that is almost a one body type lens. I might think about taking the 24 instead of the 15 (if I'm feeling strong 😉).
 
Thank you for such a comprehensive post. I too, am looking forward to seeing the pictures.

I haven't done much traveling, but I think I might apply lessons I learned while shooting my children's school musical this fall - namely that there is a place for both rangefinders and SLRs in situations that will have a variety of settings. I can imagine using my RF in relatively close quarters, street, low light, etc. and a SLR with long lens (zoom) for many other situations. I think I might want both tools with me on a trip.
 
Thank you for the detailed post.

I've been struggling with how to make this response not sound negative. Your approach is entirely valid. My point here is not to suggest otherwise. In fact, I'm excited to see your photos.

Some day I'd like to read about the guy/gal who took one lens and one body and came back with fantastic photos and had a great experience. I'm just musing about another approach. Less is more.

Of course, I can hear the counter argument: "there are situations when a longer/wider/faster lens would be the only way to get the shot". Well, if your livelihood depends on getting the shot, then taking more stuff makes perfect sense to me. Experiencing a new place with the eyes and ears and nose and taste buds is more important to me than squinting through a viewfinder working for every shot. In the long view, "the shot" that gets missed because you didn't have X lens is way less important than seeing that situation with the eyes and experiencing it. There will NEVER be enough equipment to cover every situation. I suppose I'm just a bit too lazy to haul around 7 pounds of gear in a hot and humid climate when 2 pounds would work fine. Again, this is NOT a criticism of your approach. It is, after all, how pros do it every day.

Please share those photos. I imagine they're great.
 
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Great post, thank you for this info. Lots of gear and heavy bags are just the name of the game for allot of us that make a living doing photography. I can not wait to see your pics!
 
looking forward to your images very much. ditto for the comprehensive post, esp your thoughts on use of the 35mm focal length.

i admire your willingness to carry as much as you do. i feel lazy in comparison, usually taking one body and at most two lenses ...
 
Thanks for the excellent report. This is a great idea for a thread. I'd like to see more of these (I wish I had done one). Kudos to you for doing an all RF vacation! I had a similar experience this summer. My trip was an all RF, all film trip too. I took two bodies (M4-P for color and CLE for b&w), 4 lenses, a meter, and a Ricoh Gr1-s 35mm p&s to Costa Rica.

For me, the next time I take an all film all RF trip: two bodies, three lenses (28, 35 and a 90), a meter, color film only, a p&s that can handle humidity, and no kids 😉 .


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chikne said:
There is one thing that I find a bit disturbing, 21 rolls over 8 days is a lot, some people might say that a digital shooter would have probably exposed twice as many frames.... But still 21 rolls is a lot and I can't wait to see them either !!
By my lights, 21 rolls in a little over a week, while a decent chunk o' celluloid, is not a lot, let alone a "disturbing" amount. I've never been one to burn film for the hell of it, but I do shoot whatever amount I deem necessary, without a second thought. Better to shoot a roll or two more than actually needed than kicking yourself later for the shots you missed because you either (a) ran out, or (b) were afraid of running out. Of course, planning ahead helps out, whether you're planning to pack ten rolls or fifty.

And, like others here, I'm really looking forward to seeing some of those photos!


- Barrett
 
Excellent and informative post about real world use, and interesting follow up discussions. If one is lucky enough to own a variety of equipment, the decisions about what to take and what to leave can be tricky.

Many thanks and post your favourite results (with which lens was used if possible!)
 
chikne said:
Hey one question also, anyone with experience of traveling with photographic film could also answer, how does it work at the airport when they check your belongings? Do they agree not to put your film through their x rays machines if you have all your rolls in a separate bag that you carry by hand?
Just asking because I went to Westminster Palace recently and they insisted on my stuff to go through their machines, no damage was done though....
This is a situation which is likely changing with time and location.

Last time I had to fly somewhere (domestic-US, from LGA), I had all my film (35mm, about fifteen rolls' worth), out of their cans, in a clear Zip-Lok bag. I politely requested a hand-inspection. They actually had a special machine for inspecting 35mm film, which works like those film-leader extractors that labs use. Took about five minutes. I was highly impressed.

I'm certain not every major airport has one of these, though; not even sure JFK has 'em. More's the pity. ( I know which airport I'm using next time, if possible.)


- Barrett
 
Thanks

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Thank you for your comments.

I know exactly what you mean. For many years, I didn't want to take up photography precisely because I wanted to enjoy and take in the experience rather than be concerned about photographing the experience (and thereby not enjoying it and letting it wash by).

I wanted to enjoy the beautiful sunset rather than be setting up a tripod and trying to capture it.

Now, my view has changed. I can do both, and I take a lot more time to both enjoy and photograph. This really showed during the trip.

My wife went through the temples much faster than me because she was only looking at the temples. I spent a lot of time looking too, admiring the reliefs, but after enough admiration, I would think hard about capturing it too.

So she often ended up waiting for me at the exits.

One camera, one lens is not impossible. And I'm fairly sure I would come back with good pictures too. As I mentioned, I use my 35/2 IV on my M7 most frequently. Perhaps 60-70% of my shots were 35 mm.

However, I like both colour slides and B&W, and I know I can't capture everything I like with only a 35 mm lens.

It's a conscious choice to carry more, and it didn't spoil my enjoyment of the trip.

For those who really want to travel light, I'd suggest a 2-lens kit. 3E + 90 TE. You can mount one lens on the camera, another on the lens carrier and that gives gives you 4 focal lengths and reasonable low-light capability.

A 35/1.4 can be brought along at night in place of one or the other lens. The only problem with this setup is that you can't have both B&W and colour concurrently. But if you scan your colour negs/slides, converting to B&W in PS is not an issue at all.


visiondr said:
Thank you for the detailed post.

I've been struggling with how to make this response not sound negative. Your approach is entirely valid. My point here is not to suggest otherwise. In fact, I'm excited to see your photos.

Some day I'd like to read about the guy/gal who took one lens and one body and came back with fantastic photos and had a great experience. I'm just musing about another approach. Less is more.

Of course, I can hear the counter argument: "there are situations when a longer/wider/faster lens would be the only way to get the shot". Well, if your livelihood depends on getting the shot, then taking more stuff makes perfect sense to me. Experiencing a new place with the eyes and ears and nose and taste buds is more important to me than squinting through a viewfinder working for every shot. In the long view, "the shot" that gets missed because you didn't have X lens is way less important than seeing that situation with the eyes and experiencing it. There will NEVER be enough equipment to cover every situation. I suppose I'm just a bit too lazy to haul around 7 pounds of gear in a hot and humid climate when 2 pounds would work fine. Again, this is NOT a criticism of your approach. It is, after all, how pros do it every day.

Please share those photos. I imagine they're great.
 
21 rolls in a day is insane. There is no way I could possibly afford shooting film like that. Seriously. No. Possible. Way.


When I went on a 10 day trip to SF I shot around 40 rolls total I believe. 20 or so rolls of coor film (about 8 color 35mm and 12 color MF rolls). About the same with B&W too.


That was fun. However I lucked out and got all of the color 35mm rolls of film for free. Someone just gave it away at the photography building at the end of the quarter and I happened to walk by just as had walked away and left it there with the sign saying it was for free.

😀
 
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