Beemermark
Veteran
Just picked up an M5 from eBay and there is no meter display in the viewfinder, none, nothing. No speed indicator either. Otherwise the camera is nice and works well. VF is clean and RF contrasty.
Anybody seen this before. I hate to send stuff back but I probably will this one.
Anybody seen this before. I hate to send stuff back but I probably will this one.
Hilm3
Established
I'd be tempted to call Sherry Krauter and talk to her first.
Is the cell arm still there?
If someone "de-metered" the M5, you might offer it for sale here, as we have a good population of eccentric folks that just might be looking for something like that! Or trade - but not for my M5 (don't even think about it
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Is the cell arm still there?
If someone "de-metered" the M5, you might offer it for sale here, as we have a good population of eccentric folks that just might be looking for something like that! Or trade - but not for my M5 (don't even think about it
Beemermark
Veteran
Yes, the arm is there
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Hilm3
Established
Odd, then. If I were to remove the meter, I would remove the arm, too. Maybe it was recently serviced by someone who forgot to put the meter assembly back in? Or a do-it-yourself CLA gone bad?
Beemermark
Veteran
Odd, then. If I were to remove the meter, I would remove the arm, too. Maybe it was recently serviced by someone who forgot to put the meter assembly back in? Or a do-it-yourself CLA gone bad?
I just checked it with an M to LTM adapter on the body with no lens and the arm doesn't pop up all the way.
Hilm3
Established
Hmm, I might want to go with sending it back. Talk to Sherry, though. If you got a good deal, it may be worth the repair.
Nokton48
Veteran
Not having a finder display is -strange-. I would second calling Sherri, She's an expert on the matter. Call her and tell her what you have. Believe me, you will get an opinion.
filmtwit
Desperate but not serious
Do you have a good battery in it? It's hard as hell to see without the active battery from what I remember.
Beemermark
Veteran
It's a new battery
Beemermark
Veteran
Has Sherry gotten better on returning repairs in a timely manner? I used to send her a lot of stuff back in the 80's and 90's but finally gave up because stuff didn't come back at all.
filmtwit
Desperate but not serious
I found you have to call her and talk to her. She's not really an email person.
I suspect you have a short. From what I remember, the meter is otherwise harder then hell to see down in the lower left center otherwise.
I suspect you have a short. From what I remember, the meter is otherwise harder then hell to see down in the lower left center otherwise.
Has Sherry gotten better on returning repairs in a timely manner? I used to send her a lot of stuff back in the 80's and 90's but finally gave up because stuff didn't come back at all.
Steven Dooley
Established
If I remember correctly, it took about three weeks or so for her to give my M5 a CLA a few years back. It's a great camera with brilliant features which sadly is not appreciated my most Leica M shooters. Good luck!
venchka
Veteran
I also recall Sherry is easiest to get on the phone in the late afternoon/early evening N.J. time. She's a night person.
The viewfinder illumination window isn't blocked? That is the narrow glass window on the edge of the top plate above the viewfinder window. The stationary needle moves with the shutter speed. What is the ASA set to? Set it to 100. Put a 50mm lens on. Go outside in the daylight. Don't put a finger over the finder illumination window. Shutter speeds and needle should be visible and changing as you turn the shutter speed dial with your right index finger.
cock the shutter. No meter unles the shutter is cocked.
HOWEVER, if you don't see a white horizontal stripe along the lower edge of the viewfinder with a narrower black stripe across the middle, two needles and shutter speed numbers, SEND IT BACK! Hold the camera to your eye. Press the preview lever to the right. One of the needels will move to the cutout below the white bar showing the battery is good.
ps: Meter arm or no, the display is missing from the viewfinder. Not good!
The viewfinder illumination window isn't blocked? That is the narrow glass window on the edge of the top plate above the viewfinder window. The stationary needle moves with the shutter speed. What is the ASA set to? Set it to 100. Put a 50mm lens on. Go outside in the daylight. Don't put a finger over the finder illumination window. Shutter speeds and needle should be visible and changing as you turn the shutter speed dial with your right index finger.
cock the shutter. No meter unles the shutter is cocked.
HOWEVER, if you don't see a white horizontal stripe along the lower edge of the viewfinder with a narrower black stripe across the middle, two needles and shutter speed numbers, SEND IT BACK! Hold the camera to your eye. Press the preview lever to the right. One of the needels will move to the cutout below the white bar showing the battery is good.
ps: Meter arm or no, the display is missing from the viewfinder. Not good!
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rogerzilla
Well-known
Is the battery making contact? Some mercury replacements aren't quite the same size or need insulating round the edges.
venchka
Veteran
Earth to Rangefinder Forum: The meter strip, needles and shutter speeds show up in the viewfinder WITHOUT the battery and WITHOUT the arm being up and in place.
If i read the first post correctly, the camera has no meter display.
As for returning it, did the seller know the M5 has a meter? Did the seller claim the meter was working? Was the camera priced to refelect a working meter? If so, send it back. There plenty of nice working M5's around.
If i read the first post correctly, the camera has no meter display.
As for returning it, did the seller know the M5 has a meter? Did the seller claim the meter was working? Was the camera priced to refelect a working meter? If so, send it back. There plenty of nice working M5's around.
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
I echo Wayne, above. The camera has a meter display even if the battery is dead, and it's a small strip with two lines (one diagonal, one vertical). The shutterspeeds should be visible too.
Now, if these things don't show up, then I'd consider sending the camera back. However, check the auction language. If the seller didn't offer anything about the camera, you may not have a leg to stand on. If the seller claimed it was operational, then you're in luck, 'cuz the seller failed to disclose its condition.
Best of luck!
Now, if these things don't show up, then I'd consider sending the camera back. However, check the auction language. If the seller didn't offer anything about the camera, you may not have a leg to stand on. If the seller claimed it was operational, then you're in luck, 'cuz the seller failed to disclose its condition.
Best of luck!
Richard G
Veteran
What Wayne said. Shame not to have the meter: it's a great meter.
venchka
Veteran
Thanks guys. I didn't think I was crazy. I had Bigfoot in hand looking at the meter display and typing at the same time.
No meter. No M5. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
No meter. No M5. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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venchka
Veteran
Look at pages 9, 13 & 14 of the manual. That is what the meter display looks like. Battery. No batter. Cocked. Not cocked. The meter display is the same. Except for the position of the moving needle which is all the way to the left without the battery or when the shutter isn't cocked. Bigfoot says so!
http://www.cameramanuals.org/leica_pdf/leica_m5.pdf
http://www.cameramanuals.org/leica_pdf/leica_m5.pdf
venchka
Veteran
What is the latest news on the M5 with the missing meter display?
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