tlitody
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So how about you try and be helpful and give us the link.
M9: Do you want a dust reduction system?
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So how about you try and be helpful and give us the link.
Nando
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I'd like to know more about this service too. Perhaps Jaap is refering the to Fast and Express Service??? However, I don't see anything about providing a loaner and the service is for EU residents only.
http://us.leica-camera.com/service/service_and_repair/express/
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tlitody
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Well thats all I could find too and it specifically says it doesn't include warranty repairs.
jonco
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Dust Be My Destiny
Dust Be My Destiny
I just got my replacement M9 today. First one locked up on day 3. I had the worst time trying to clean the sensor. First shots had 5 spots of dust. I took several tries. Seemed like it was for every spot I got rid of, new ones showed up. Yes, a DRS would make the camera perfecter.
Dust Be My Destiny
I just got my replacement M9 today. First one locked up on day 3. I had the worst time trying to clean the sensor. First shots had 5 spots of dust. I took several tries. Seemed like it was for every spot I got rid of, new ones showed up. Yes, a DRS would make the camera perfecter.
jaapv
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Well, I got a loaner for mine, six weeks, brand new off the assembly line. And it was a warranty repair.
From the Leica website:
And here is your LINK from the USA website
It is indeed organized centrally in Solms, but with FEDEX 24 hours service that should not pose a problem.
The reason Leica does not offer express service on warranty repairs is that they offer expedited service on warranted M9s anyway.
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jaapv
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Another reason a dust reduction system might not be such a good idea on a DRF is that Leica is having trouble enough with the thickness of the filters in front of the sensor, for all the well-known reasons. Dust reduction would add another shaking piece of glass.
Paul Luscher
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Well, dfoo, you and I are saying the same thing, but coming at it from different angles.
Got no problem with a dust reduction system in the M (voted for it in the polls).Like the auto-dust reduction system on my E-3 (along with image stabilization--made it possible for me to get shots I never could've gotten before...and my tripod stays home a lot more often these days).
But I guess not having a dust reduction system on the M is not a deal-breaker for me, and I certainly wouldn't want it, if it caused the M to bloat up into something resembling....a Canon DSLR (ewwwww....).🙂
Of course, in the end all this is up to the wizards of Solms....
Got no problem with a dust reduction system in the M (voted for it in the polls).Like the auto-dust reduction system on my E-3 (along with image stabilization--made it possible for me to get shots I never could've gotten before...and my tripod stays home a lot more often these days).
But I guess not having a dust reduction system on the M is not a deal-breaker for me, and I certainly wouldn't want it, if it caused the M to bloat up into something resembling....a Canon DSLR (ewwwww....).🙂
Of course, in the end all this is up to the wizards of Solms....
3rdtrick
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Of course I would like to have dust reduction but...
My DSLR with dust reduction was considerably larger than the previous one without it which was considerably larger than my film SLR. My FF DSLR was even bigger although it was an awesome camera. I came to the M system because of its size and I do not want it bigger.
Pete
My DSLR with dust reduction was considerably larger than the previous one without it which was considerably larger than my film SLR. My FF DSLR was even bigger although it was an awesome camera. I came to the M system because of its size and I do not want it bigger.
Pete
jamato8
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I don't care, it is easy to clean the sensor. As mentioned earlier, they need to get the focussing right, don't tax them any further. If they do it fine, if not, I don't care. I started with a Leica IIIC as my first serious camera. What I can now do is a huge step up, I am ok with what I got.
jamato8
Corroding tank M9 35 ASPH
I am confused, which is not uncommon for me. Ok, so you can get a loaner while your camera is being repaired? When I sent mine in to NJ they said there wasn't a loaner program for professionals. So is it just with Germany or NJ also?
jaapv
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For pro service you must register beforehand and always deal with Solms.
jamato8
Corroding tank M9 35 ASPH
I am registered as a pro but I guess that is the answer, I deal with NJ. Maybe I should go to Solms.
jaapv
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I haven’t cleaned my M9 for half a year except for the occasional Rocket Blower puff. No dust on the sensor. And I change lenses all the time.I really wonder what everybody is doing to have such problems.
f16sunshine
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This thread was 1 1/3 year old before your last post. It seems no body is having any further problems.
Gabriel M.A.
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It logically follows that one can add a bicycle rack on top of that Harley Davidson. It's been done on other vehicles, so surely it can be done on a Harley.
I, for one, would like to see a bicycle with an ABS system. They've already added an engine to it. It'll be ridiculous and illogical to suggest it cannot be done on a Koga, because it's already expensive and it would be patronizing that after having paid all that money for one one can't make it behave like a cheaper car.
BTW, I am all for a sensor cleaning system on an M8/9/10/11/12/13/14... but arguing solely on opinion or comparing pineapples to radishes does not make A more "logical" than B based on oversimplifications.
jaapv
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You are correct I see. I wonder what brought it to the top of the forum this morning??😕
Edit:I understand - it is a poll and somebody found it and voted on it I guess.
135format
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its a poll and somebody voted...
jaapv
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The curtain is titanium. Both the M8 and M9 do have an IR filter, the M8 0.5 mm and the M9 0.8 mm.
The usefulness of these shakers is rather dubious, as they will only dislodge loose dust that can just as easily be blown away using a bulbblower. The problematic dust like pollen, statically attracted dust and oil splatters cannot be removed this way and will have to be lifted off by wet cleaning, on a shaking sensor as much as on a sensor without such a facility. As it is mostly not sensor that vibrates ( that would play havoc with the mounting tolerances,) but a filter in front of the sensor, it is rather doubtful whether it could be combined with an M8/9 sensor, which needs as little glass in front of it as possible in order to obtain maximum quality.
The usefulness of these shakers is rather dubious, as they will only dislodge loose dust that can just as easily be blown away using a bulbblower. The problematic dust like pollen, statically attracted dust and oil splatters cannot be removed this way and will have to be lifted off by wet cleaning, on a shaking sensor as much as on a sensor without such a facility. As it is mostly not sensor that vibrates ( that would play havoc with the mounting tolerances,) but a filter in front of the sensor, it is rather doubtful whether it could be combined with an M8/9 sensor, which needs as little glass in front of it as possible in order to obtain maximum quality.
swoop
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Hell yes. Even my 5D mk2 has had some stubborn dust that has required a little coaxing to be rid of. It's especially worse on the M9.
hteasley
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Not at all. I think there are a bunch of things that make an M an M, and I think IS violates the philosophy of M cameras. Dust removal would not, I think, violate the philosophy, but it might prove to be an engineering impracticality.
To me, M cameras represent the highest degree of human-mechanical interaction to produce photographs in the 35mm format. Everything in the picture-taking path is a mechanical operation initiated and controlled by a person. IS introduces a thinking aspect, where the camera is thinking for the photographer. It automates something that is ostensibly under the photographer's explicit control, which takes control away from the photographer and gives it to the camera. I think M cameras eschew that sort of feature deliberately.
Dust removal, that's not about taking a picture, that's about preparing to take a picture. I can see that being a feature of an M if it didn't interfere with the rest of the camera, and didn't do anything to, say, jeopardize the alignment of the sensor to the the ideal image plane.
To me, a M has:
1. A rangefinder.
2. Full manual control of aperture, shutter, focus.
2a. A lack of automation in those areas. Automatic shutter is there, but I'd say further automation comes at the expense of relinquishing too much important control by the photographer.
3. A capsule profile as seen from above (the M5 pushes that a bit). Not that this had to be an a priori requirement, but since every M camera has been this way, it would be hard to see a major change to this and have folks think that it's still an M.
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