jto555
Member
I think you have found another issue with the camera. Suppose you want to lighten the red channel??? Or darken the blues in part of the shot while lightening them in another. With a full colour M9 and photoshop you can! But not with an M9 and a filter...
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Nikon Bob
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rbelyell
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am i the only one recoiling at the thought that this camera yields 'flat, grey, lack of contrast' shots OOC for $8000?! and that these are the quality shots one can hope for without substantial PP?
tony
tony
jbielikowski
Jan Bielikowski
BobYIL
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They call the camera "Henri".. If this was the Henri we know as Henri Cartier-Bresson, then it is questionable how far he would feel pride of giving his name to such a digital...
Why are some afraid of doing any PP?
dave lackey
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I agree, why is it a problem? Or is it a problem, me thinks it is a bit early to call the results on images. I am waiting for RFF members to post their own as it seems that there are enough diverse tastes ranging from greys to contrasty photo to then be able to tell how the camera will fit into one's photographic needs.:angel:
Edit: Just went back to the Leica AG photos...they appear to be flat, dull, etc. awaiting PP. I wonder why the photographer did not set up the camera with the contrast, sharpening, etc. he or she normally uses...and, then, I wonder why final PP images were not posted?
Were these images placed on the website so folks could download and play with PP?
user237428934
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When I was doing film, I scanned it flat so that a wide range of greys are in the file. Worked from there to get the result I wanted. If you already have a contrasty file there is no way to go back because some information is already lost.
PatrickCheung
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why is it that the people who judged the shots in Mr. Slack's blog don't have any of their own work to show. I want something to judge too. 'Cept Araakii of course, who (IMO) produces great work. I personally enjoyed his images for what they were, decent tourist photos. Nothing wrong with documenting a trip, I'd say. Though, this is coming from a guy who chooses to use his camera to document my life and the people I meet. Back on topic, it's nice to have a digital black and white camera... though, at that price tag, I'd rather use an M9 and just convert my images in PP. Looks like the images themselves require quite a bit of PP to get the depth most people here desire anyway. Such an unreasonable price tag, though as long as people are willing to pay it, Leica's only going to keep marking their stuff up.
Just for fun... what happens when brand name designers meet. http://hypebeast.com/2012/05/leica-m9-p-edition-hermes/
rbelyell
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with all due respect, that was obviously not my point. perhaps if you re read my post my point will become more apparent. my personal comfort/desire to do PP, which i enjoy btw, is not relevent to spending $8000 on a camera whose OOC output sucks.
x-ray
Veteran
I'm guessing these were just jpg's straight out of the camera. Camera jpg's are never optimum IMO. This is my argument to work raw files. JPG's out of camera only reflect what some engineer in Germany or Japan liked his pictures to look like. I'm just speculating but I would guess most engineers designing a camera are very good photographers if they're photographers at all. The proof will be when we can get raw files and work them to our liking.
My one criticism up to this point, why a base ISO of 320? ISO 25, 50 0r even 100 would have been much smarter and more useful.
For now it's a no go for me.
My one criticism up to this point, why a base ISO of 320? ISO 25, 50 0r even 100 would have been much smarter and more useful.
For now it's a no go for me.
xichlo
Member
Please read again, I didn't say anything about photo quality of the tester's or dpreview. We all know it's subjective. You like to assume a lot of things
RF users are quite polite. Saying other's works are mediocre may not very nice in this forum. That's all.
Have fun!
RF users are quite polite. Saying other's works are mediocre may not very nice in this forum. That's all.
Have fun!
Which camera's OOC RAW output doesn't generally suck is my point... ?
"My work" or the work of anyone else doesnt change the samples for better or worse.
The photos I´ve seen are flat and low contrast.
Indeed this is a good starting point for post production. But you dont put up a gallery and then start thinking about how to process your images.
dave lackey
Veteran
Yes, it doesn't quite make sense to me either.
But, again, I await RFF images, although that may be awhile.:angel:
Either way, I suspect the M9-M images will be fantastic at that point!
dude163
Member
wow , tough crowd in here
dave lackey
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gb hill
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So can I assume an M9 infrared will be next?
paulfish4570
Veteran
ho-hum photos. i've looked at 'em two different monitors. blown highlights on both screens. PP might of fixed that; might not have. but i chalk that up to the shooter, not the camera ...
tightsqueez
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The tonality is what bothers me, and not to mention the eye watering blown highlights. Sure, this has to do with how the photographer exposes/adjusts images but I've seen enough to see underlying similarities which yield what the sensor can and can't do. However I will note that the higher ISO's look better. Amazing though? No.
I was REALLY looking to this camera and have the $$ to throw down on one right now but this is just another polished terd.
My biggest question for this camera is something that will be answered in time: How reliable is it?
I was REALLY looking to this camera and have the $$ to throw down on one right now but this is just another polished terd.
My biggest question for this camera is something that will be answered in time: How reliable is it?