Mamiya 6 Winder Problem Help!!!!!

[angelopartemi]

Does this look like the beginning of the end for for my winding gears?
Here are some shots from the middle of my last roll in order:

the next frame was similar to the second frame and then it got back on track for frames 8-12.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

 

[john_s]

Maybe the winder is ok but the shutter is sometimes not opening? It's hard to tell if the shutter is working because it's so quiet. Does winding the film feel ok?

 

[Jake06]

Are the lines in the fogged areas your subject or are they a characteristic of the problem?

 

[angelopartemi]

Maybe the winder is ok but the shutter is sometimes not opening? It's hard to tell if the shutter is working because it's so quiet. Does winding the film feel ok?

The winding feels fine. Do you think the shutter could cause the frames to overlap?

I also have to add this has happened when it was brutally cold outside maybe -10 Celsius and on auto exposure.

When i check the shutter with no film, everything seems fine.
:bang:

 

[angelopartemi]

Are the lines in the fogged areas your subject or are they a characteristic of the problem?

It seems they are characteristics of the problem.

If it were double exposed I think I would see two overlapping images no? But to be honest, I have no idea.

I had a roll before this one that was much worse. It had only one salvageable frame, which was the first one.

 

[Jake06]

Bearing in mind that I don't have any experience with the modern Mamiya 6, I don't see how the winding mechanism could cause those lines. But then, I can't think of anything else that would cause those lines... perhaps something is amiss with the lens or shutter...

 

[angelopartemi]

Bearing in mind that I don't have any experience with the modern Mamiya 6, I don't see how the winding mechanism could cause those lines. But then, I can't think of anything else that would cause those lines... perhaps something is amiss with the lens or shutter...

It has a leaf shutter in the lens. I am completely dumbfounded here. I feel it has to be the winder, but then why would it get back on track? :bang:

The lines to me suggest winder. Again I have no clue.

Thanks for taking the time to have a look. I really appreciate it.

 

[kzphoto]

Might be improperly tensioned too? Are you sure it's set to the correct 120/220 format?

 

[angelopartemi]

Might be improperly tensioned too? Are you sure it's set to the correct 120/220 format?

Set to 120, wind so the arrows match, close the door, open the dark slide, and then wind until the 1 appears. These are the results I got.

 

[newsgrunt]

why are you opening your darkslide ? that only gets used when you're changing lenses.

otherwise the steps above are fine.

 

[angelopartemi]

why are you opening your darkslide ? that only gets used when you're changing lenses.

otherwise the steps above are fine.

I close the dark slide in order to protect the back of the lens from dust when I am inserting a new roll of film. Thanks for the reply.

 

[john_s]

The winding feels fine. Do you think the shutter could cause the frames to overlap?

I think that if frames overlap it has to be the winding mechanism or something connected to it. I didn't realise from your first post that there was bad frame spacing.

If you are getting blank frames I would think it's something to do with the shutter/exposure meter.

The camera has interlocks that have to be working properly. These are mechanical so it wouldn't surprise me if they worked differently at an extremely low temperature.

 

[angelopartemi]

I think that if frames overlap it has to be the winding mechanism or something connected to it. I didn't realise from your first post that there was bad frame spacing.

If you are getting blank frames I would think it's something to do with the shutter/exposure meter.

The camera has interlocks that have to be working properly. These are mechanical so it wouldn't surprise me if they worked differently at an extremely low temperature.

Yeah I thought that too, but wasn't sure. Thanks for the insight. I really appreciate it. I took it in to have it checked out yesterday, so fingers crossed.

 

[john_s]

Let us know how it goes. It would be interesting for those of us who are using these lovely cameras but anticipating the inevitable eventual breakdown.

 

[angelopartemi]

Turns out, it was the batteries plus the cold weather. The repair shop confirmed the winder is finder. It was the fact I was using it in auto mode, in below freezing weather, with low batteries. So, I guess I will have to calk that one up to user stupidity. Now it working like a charm. Here is sample since I got it back. I am so relieved. 🙂

 

[dtcls100]

I have been told by several top camera repair outfits (including Nippon Photo and Precision Camera Repair) that the Mamiya 6's famous "winder problem" can usually be fixed without requiring new parts (by aligning and tightening parts). Also, I was advised that the key to avoid having winder problems with this camera is to use the film advance lever GENTLY, as opposed to using it like a jackhammer. Given that the Mamiya 6 is not an action type camera, there really is no reason not to advance the film gently. The folks at KEH repair have told me that most camera models will get winder problems eventually if the film advance lever is treated roughly over a period of time.