Mic Drop Moment: M10-D with thumb lever

Thanks for sharing your experience.

With CCD photodiode arrays a single dead photo-diode site can render a whole column unreadable.

I must say I am unable to understand how to repair dead pixel columns without replacing the entire sensor assembly.

Sensor remapping via firmware is commonly reported. But this is not a repair. The defective photodiode(s) is remain(s) defective.

Some report mapping and other report replacement.

On a Forum that may not be named here, six months ago someone wrote:

"... the fix is simple and free. You send a DNG file to Leica, and they send you a custom firmware file, which will remap your sensor and get rid of those lines. Each remapping will make your sensor one row of pixels narrower (the lines for some reason are always vertical), but this is really no big deal."

That did not work; I sent Leica a DNG with the problem showing, and after they inspected the DNG they told me mail in my M8 and to pay $500.


Necessary labours
sensor out of tolerance
sensor soiled
adjust range finder
CCD pixel error
clean, lubrication and adjustment
leather covering
carrier
sealing ring,
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I suspect that my M8 was fixed in Wetzlar. I received today an email from some person with a German email address, followed by an email from New Jersey.

It states "CCD pixel error". It does not state what was done with it. It also states "sensor out of tolerance" and "soiled sensor", plus CLA plus RF adjustment.
 
It'll always be easier to buy more stuff than to learn to make compelling images. However, we have numerous examples of people using less to make great work. We have even had a few great books made with early iPhones (EARLY not now).

It is always a great reminder to think of these people and look at the work.

These days many would make you think that you need an F1 lens and an array of lenses from 8mm to 1000mm, ISO 102,000, FF or larger sensors, and IBIS in order to do anything. If anything, I am going backwards... everything is pretty damn nice these days, so I will most likely never buy an expensive new camera again... I'll just wait a year or two and buy used. That said, I do have a passing interest in what a project was made with... simply for the times when the equipment is less than expected.

Yep, I agree. I see many pros traveling light these days. The less stuff you pack, the more you get done. Lugging a lot of gear around is both hard on your energy and a lot of bs to think about when working.

I don't remember your experience with the little Sony X100? But, I'm always amazed at what Matt Black did with his in square format mode.
https://www.instagram.com/mattblack_blackmatt/?hl=en

Best, pkr
 
I don't remember your experience with the little Sony X100? But, I'm always amazed at what Matt Black did with his in square format mode.
https://www.instagram.com/mattblack_blackmatt/?hl=en

Thank you for sharing this link — I was not at all familiar with Mr. Black's work. His photographs are some of the most moving that I have ever seen. He is obviously an extremely gifted photographer shedding light on a very tragic story.This guy is operating at a completely different level than most other photographers and some of that must come from him having a really deep connection with his subject matter.

Looking through his images I felt speechless for lengthy periods of time and was uncomfortable with the way much of the praise for his work on Instagram was worded. The photographs themselves are obviously very praise worthy, but something just feels "off" to me looking over many of the Instagram comments as if there is a disconnect with the story itself. I'd like to think that this is not how most of those comments were intended and that this more or less comes down to how emotionally impacted I was by his work. Again, thank you for pointing out Mr. Black's photography.
 
"I don't care what anyone else shoots with because ultimate(ly) it is the work that matters."

I think this is the root of the argument. And, I believe it's the great divide among the mass of "photo people" both on this forum and with the public.

Years back, Paolo Pellegrin was using cheap Olympus 6mp digital cameras ... I wonder if all his critics looked at the pictures he made with these cheap plastic cameras?
https://www.magnumphotos.com/photographer/paolo-pellegrin/

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympussp500uz
I totally get that. I use old manual-focus Nikon and Mamiya 645 lenses attached with a tilt-shift adapter to a Sony A7R II. I ignore ninety per cent of the Sony's features because I like to shoot simply - manual exposure, manual white balance (mostly "sunny"). Because the kind of pictures I take dictate the equipment I use. My gear would be anathema (or at least frustrating) to Pellegrin, and his to me.

However, digital makes it easier to ensure you've got the shot you need. As a photographer who takes photography seriously (exhibitions and professional product photography), I welcome anything that helps me nail a photograph. So, being able to check my photograph immediately is essential - it is inarguable that using a phone to preview photos over Wi-Fi is far slower and clumsy. I cannot imagine any photographer I know using a screenless Leica for professional work - and I know many photographers, including the Magnum photographer who tutored me for two years.

It seems perverse for a company to deliberately hobble their cameras. It's better to have functions and find you don't need them than to not have functions and find you do! That's not an argument to include everything! Take video: If you'll never use video, then a stills-only camera makes perfect sense. But a wholly screenless digital camera would at best be more awkward to use than one with the usual screen. Digital is not film - the obvious differences being the ability with digital to change how the picture is taken and the ease of reviewing and retaking the picture: making a digital camera that is harder to use by removing core features so it operates more like a film camera is thus clearly an appeal to a nostalgia for film!

Another example. I really don't get the digital Leica M's ridiculous removable base plate - it makes the camera impossible to use for studio sessions on a tripod because you can't remove the SD card or replace the battery without moving the camera! Yes, I know this camera is not aimed at studio photographers, but they've prevented it from ever being used by them for a truly pathetic, pointless reason: nostalgia and form over function (rather than function over form as required by any serious tool). There is absolutely no practical reason for the base plate on a digital M. And the marketing reasons are weak too. I'd be very surprised if any digital M owner would have not bought the camera if the base plate weren't present!

The faux cocking lever is trivial compared with the above problems, but underlines that the digital Leica M is not a tool aimed primarily at the serious or professional photographer. Yes, of course it can be - and is - used by them, but they are incidental users and not the primary target.

Paolo Pellegrin's Olympuses (Olympi?) are not the kind of thing: they were built to a particular specification (i.e. a low-cost basic camera for the general public). They did not incorporate design features to appeal to nostalgia or looks at the expense of reduced functionality.

I have no problem whatsoever with the idea of the Leica M. In fact, I was an early adopter and bought a new Leica M8, which was my main camera for 5 years. I worked around the problems (cutting crude holes in a spare base plate being my solution to studio use!). But it is a shadow of what it could have been while keeping to its core concepts of being a rangefinder optimised for manual operation.

And I can't help feel some defences are justifications grasping at straws, such as that of misoperation through always accidentally pressing buttons. Do these people have fingers like balloons! The wrong button on any device occasionally gets pushed, but in the 20 years I've been using digital cameras, the only place I've met this problem is online - never happened to me, nor to anyone I've met. Camera manufacturers design controls to minimise this!

I suppose I'm grumbling because I want a digital M but Leica clearly have no interest in making a purely photographic tool based on the M but aimed at professionals. That is, with all the frivolities removed and cutting-edge technology where essential: for example, battery and SD card doors; and a high-resolution, high-brightness LCD because the current one is horrible - a digital camera needs the best possible LCD, not its removal!
 
I can understand the dream of a pure and simple Leica designed for studio work and would like to add that I dream of a simple digital like the Contax T's or Olympus XA's or Minox 35's.

In other words, something to slip into my pocket for occasional use with a decent prime on it instead of a weird zoom. That's "weird" as in small aperture and long range from 24mm to 300mm equivalent.

Regards, David


PS There's a camera on my desk as I type this. I can cover 9 buttons on the back at the right side when I hold it and an ordinary postage stamp will cover 7 or 8 of those buttons. Too many buttons in a small space is the cause of problems. And the previous version was the same but 2 or 3 of the buttons did different things.
 
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I have trouble with clusters of back buttons on my two Sony cams to the extent that at least once in a shoot I`ll have unintentionally changed some parameter.

I never have that trouble with my 5D3 which is one of the few advantages of lugging around such a relatively large camera.
 
I don't remember your experience with the little Sony X100? But, I'm always amazed at what Matt Black did with his in square format mode.
https://www.instagram.com/mattblack_blackmatt/?hl=en

Best, pkr

It was OK, but ultimately not my style. An ergonomic disaster and that is where I have issues with cameras. If I don't like how they feel when using them, I don't use them. That's my hangup. Matt Black obviously does perfectly fine with it. It certainly is a capable daylight camera and certainly more than enough for Instagram and small book projects. For me, fujifilm just works for everything and I will most likely get an iPhone XS as my small sensor / square format camera.
 
... The less stuff you pack, the more you get done. Lugging a lot of gear around is both hard on your energy and a lot of bs to think about when working.

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Exactly!

For these reasons I sold all the Nikon FX gear I used for interiors photography and switched to an APS-C mirrorless system.

Coincidentally, an unexpected consequence of this switch to smaller, lighter gear was the image quality was equal or better. The lenses turned out to be better. When I needed to blend multiple exposures I discovered I only had to use three instead of five raw files. Selectively pushing shadow regions was easier. I spent a lot less time in post-production.
 
I totally get that. I use old manual-focus Nikon and Mamiya 645 lenses attached with a tilt-shift adapter to a Sony A7R II. I ignore ninety per cent of the Sony's features because I like to shoot simply - manual exposure, manual white balance (mostly "sunny"). Because the kind of pictures I take dictate the equipment I use. My gear would be anathema (or at least frustrating) to Pellegrin, and his to me.

However, digital makes it easier to ensure you've got the shot you need. As a photographer who takes photography seriously (exhibitions and professional product photography), I welcome anything that helps me nail a photograph. So, being able to check my photograph immediately is essential - it is inarguable that using a phone to preview photos over Wi-Fi is far slower and clumsy. I cannot imagine any photographer I know using a screenless Leica for professional work - and I know many photographers, including the Magnum photographer who tutored me for two years.

It seems perverse for a company to deliberately hobble their cameras. It's better to have functions and find you don't need them than to not have functions and find you do! That's not an argument to include everything! Take video: If you'll never use video, then a stills-only camera makes perfect sense. But a wholly screenless digital camera would at best be more awkward to use than one with the usual screen. Digital is not film - the obvious differences being the ability with digital to change how the picture is taken and the ease of reviewing and retaking the picture: making a digital camera that is harder to use by removing core features so it operates more like a film camera is thus clearly an appeal to a nostalgia for film!

Another example. I really don't get the digital Leica M's ridiculous removable base plate - it makes the camera impossible to use for studio sessions on a tripod because you can't remove the SD card or replace the battery without moving the camera! Yes, I know this camera is not aimed at studio photographers, but they've prevented it from ever being used by them for a truly pathetic, pointless reason: nostalgia and form over function (rather than function over form as required by any serious tool). There is absolutely no practical reason for the base plate on a digital M. And the marketing reasons are weak too. I'd be very surprised if any digital M owner would have not bought the camera if the base plate weren't present!

The faux cocking lever is trivial compared with the above problems, but underlines that the digital Leica M is not a tool aimed primarily at the serious or professional photographer. Yes, of course it can be - and is - used by them, but they are incidental users and not the primary target.

Paolo Pellegrin's Olympuses (Olympi?) are not the kind of thing: they were built to a particular specification (i.e. a low-cost basic camera for the general public). They did not incorporate design features to appeal to nostalgia or looks at the expense of reduced functionality.

I have no problem whatsoever with the idea of the Leica M. In fact, I was an early adopter and bought a new Leica M8, which was my main camera for 5 years. I worked around the problems (cutting crude holes in a spare base plate being my solution to studio use!). But it is a shadow of what it could have been while keeping to its core concepts of being a rangefinder optimised for manual operation.

And I can't help feel some defences are justifications grasping at straws, such as that of misoperation through always accidentally pressing buttons. Do these people have fingers like balloons! The wrong button on any device occasionally gets pushed, but in the 20 years I've been using digital cameras, the only place I've met this problem is online - never happened to me, nor to anyone I've met. Camera manufacturers design controls to minimise this!

I suppose I'm grumbling because I want a digital M but Leica clearly have no interest in making a purely photographic tool based on the M but aimed at professionals. That is, with all the frivolities removed and cutting-edge technology where essential: for example, battery and SD card doors; and a high-resolution, high-brightness LCD because the current one is horrible - a digital camera needs the best possible LCD, not its removal!

Just because you "don't get it" doesn't mean it isn't a viable choice for many other people.

The camera in Leica's line that you want is the SL, not the M, because it has all the features you want, and more. It was intended for the kind of versatility and durability that professional photography needs. The M is/was/has always been a more limited and more compact camera mostly useful for hand-held people photography, travel photography, and the like.
 
Interesting because I went to Canon first because when I went digital they were the full frame option. I have shot with Sony (great cameras for some but not for me) Fuji not FF but still great camera for others not for me. As I stated earlier I shot with DSLRs for over a decade but they were not a camera that I warmed up to. And for many ( I know a couple of full time pros that prefer Leica M over the SL or any of the other options just because of (like me) it fits the way they see and work).

Some think in terms of more features = better. And that's fine and may work for them. They certainly have a lot of choices. Like I stated earlier Leica M digital is a just right for me and the way I see and work. And they are the true alternative to all those other options.

They are clearly not for everyone but they are for some. Enough to put Leica in a good financial position. Many of the DSLR biggies aren't in that place right now. If you don't get it that's OK. You have plenty of other options. Nice to have real choices.
 
Getting away from the minutia of camera details for a moment, do any of the Digital M owners in this thread have an online presence for displaying your work (either in the Gallery here at RFF or elsewhere) specifically with these cameras? I’d like to see what’s actually being created with these cameras for a change of pace as it’s nice to be reminded of what this hobby/profession is all about for us as individuals. Thanks!
 
Thank you for sharing this link — I was not at all familiar with Mr. Black's work. His photographs are some of the most moving that I have ever seen. He is obviously an extremely gifted photographer shedding light on a very tragic story.This guy is operating at a completely different level than most other photographers and some of that must come from him having a really deep connection with his subject matter.

Looking through his images I felt speechless for lengthy periods of time and was uncomfortable with the way much of the praise for his work on Instagram was worded. The photographs themselves are obviously very praise worthy, but something just feels "off" to me looking over many of the Instagram comments as if there is a disconnect with the story itself. I'd like to think that this is not how most of those comments were intended and that this more or less comes down to how emotionally impacted I was by his work. Again, thank you for pointing out Mr. Black's photography.

Black's done a lot of work in central California. I think his website and the Magnum site cover much of it.

As for the Instagram people, they are a good sampling of today's "photo people". Few of these people have much life experience.
 
Just because you "don't get it" doesn't mean it isn't a viable choice for many other people.

The camera in Leica's line that you want is the SL, not the M, because it has all the features you want, and more. It was intended for the kind of versatility and durability that professional photography needs. The M is/was/has always been a more limited and more compact camera mostly useful for hand-held people photography, travel photography, and the like.

"Just because you "don't get it" doesn't mean it isn't a viable choice for many other people."

Succinct and accurate.
 
Exactly!

For these reasons I sold all the Nikon FX gear I used for interiors photography and switched to an APS-C mirrorless system.

Coincidentally, an unexpected consequence of this switch to smaller, lighter gear was the image quality was equal or better. The lenses turned out to be better. When I needed to blend multiple exposures I discovered I only had to use three instead of five raw files. Selectively pushing shadow regions was easier. I spent a lot less time in post-production.

Hi Willie;

I have both FF and APS-C systems. Sometime back, I found myself using the smaller format more and more, for the reasons you outline.

Many commercial clients occasionally want huge files. FF won't deliver that. Phase One rentals are available to me. The dealer offers free training on the latest gear (full day or afternoon training). So, that's a solution for many. And, the client pays the rental tab. I haven't seen any use of these big files that justify the added cost and work, save for huge prints used in trade show exhibits. I think some ADs "just want them" ?

Many on here may not know, we're often packing a bunch of lighting gear too. I've made my lighting kit smaller and simpler, saving the mains powered portable studio flash for jobs that can only be done with them.
 
It was OK, but ultimately not my style. An ergonomic disaster and that is where I have issues with cameras. If I don't like how they feel when using them, I don't use them. That's my hangup. Matt Black obviously does perfectly fine with it. It certainly is a capable daylight camera and certainly more than enough for Instagram and small book projects. For me, fujifilm just works for everything and I will most likely get an iPhone XS as my small sensor / square format camera.

Yeah, too many buttons, feels bad in the hand. I have that problem too. It kept me from using medium format a lot in the film dazzze.

Fuji has fixed that for many of us.
 
Getting away from the minutia of camera details for a moment, do any of the Digital M owners in this thread have an online presence for displaying your work (either in the Gallery here at RFF or elsewhere) specifically with these cameras? I’d like to see what’s actually being created with these cameras for a change of pace as it’s nice to be reminded of what this hobby/profession is all about for us as individuals. Thanks!

"Tempus Fugit 2" was shot in my studio a decade or so ago with my Leica M8: http://www.richcutler.co.uk/photography/tempus-fugit/no-2/
 
Getting away from the minutia of camera details for a moment, do any of the Digital M owners in this thread have an online presence for displaying your work (either in the Gallery here at RFF or elsewhere) specifically with these cameras? I’d like to see what’s actually being created with these cameras for a change of pace as it’s nice to be reminded of what this hobby/profession is all about for us as individuals. Thanks!

I have little on line presence. It's not how would get work. I have a stable of a couple dozen clients that some use me services several times a month to others maybe only a couple of times a year. A fair amount of annual report work, brochures, billboards and other types of advertising mostly in healthcare but i also have several fortune 500 corporations i do work for as well as a few agencies.

Heres a piece that Leica did on my personal work a couple of years back.
https://www.leica-camera.blog/2016/12/15/spontaneous-relationships/

Also had an exhibit last June and a book signing. I have another exhibit and book signing Nov 9. Here's a link to the book.
http://www.blurb.com/b/8495841-streets-alleys-and-other-urban-observations

Also a few other things. Some of these were in 36 X 54 inch final prints on the wall of a hospital client of mine. All shot with the Leica MM
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airfrogusmc - these are excellent in every way. Kudos!

Raw files from the Leica MMs offer some of the best dynamic range and SNR performance with 24 X 36 mm sensors. Only very recently have a few brands out-performed the M-262 and those improvements are only about 1/3 to 2/3 EV.

I think a future the M10 monochrome will surpass everyone.
 
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