Micro 4/3 as backup for M8

Problem is the angle of light hitting the sensor would be way angular and mess things up if you put any glass between the camera and the lens. The space is just not there. I've been saying for a long time that Leica should be making glass for Nikon, Canon, Olympus, 4/3s and now M4/3s mounts. Drop the R line up and focus on core competencies, glass and M bodies.

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Yes, look at how thin the M adapter is. No room in there for glass.

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I was yesterday at Foto Brenner (a photo dealer) house fair . There the Novoflex rep announced that delivery of te µFT/M adapter starts in (european) week 50 (for America the week in which the Monday Dec 8th lays) [or in other words tomorrow] Order code ist MFT/LEM, Price 149€
There was also the possibility to test a G1 with a Summarit 2.5/50. It was no problem to focus it (zoom loupe), even with my adapted 1.2/ 35 on it was possible to focus sharp and quickly wide open. In my opinion the time I needed to focus wasn´t much longer than with a traditional rangefinder.


Even when I am waiting till march (after PMA when Olympus presents his µFT the G1 prices are falling) I am impressed by the G1 .
 
This scares me a bit... It looks too good, and will probably lead to me buying a G1 soon even though I cannot really afford it!

It will probably be the perfect backup for my M8 on travels, and will also provide me with a possibility for getting those very few shots that I always miss because I don´t like carrying long teles... My 90 elmarit should should be ideal, and also my 15 CV becoming a 30mm is really not too bad!

As for the noise, it should be OK for me - I never really miss speed that much with my M8. 800 is good enough for me.
 
I know that the G1 isn't being marketed for the use all these RFF folks plan to put it, nor was the purpose to be a Leica killer. But if they would make this camera with interchangable lens mounts for every lens made, and also sold the mounts, they could have picked up some real money.

Imagine the hundreds of threads this thing will generate when a lot of adapters are available and we get to see photos of cats, dogs, kids and flowers shot with every permutation of Leica, Canon, Nikon, Minolta, not to mention old movie camera lenses.

The toy factor is really high. Beyond what it is with it's kit lenses, though, I just can't understand the utility.
 
Fred Burton said:
Ah, a question. Do the lenses designed for the camera stop down automatically? I assume you view and focus wide open like an SLR. What happens when you have that Leica lens set at F8 to meter? Will the finder go dark?
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Because you are looking at an electronic image of the view, it will always be perfectly exposed, at whatever aperture you shoot with.
 
Fred Burton said:
Ah, a question. Do the lenses designed for the camera stop down automatically?
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Yes

I assume you view and focus wide open like an SLR. What happens when you have that Leica lens set at F8 to meter? Will the finder go dark?
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You can view wide open, or you can view stopped down. The viewfinder doesn't go dark like on an SLR; the LCD will brighten to compensate. If the light is very low, the image can get noisy/grainy. But it is still far easier for me to focus the G1 even under these conditions than it is an M, including the M8. It's not even close.
 
A little remark and question: the Novoflex adapter is constructed that way that you can take off the m-lens only if you take off the adpater from the camera. A little pin at the lens lock of the adapter secures it.
If you want to use the µFT as "M-only" you have to file off about 1.0-1.5mm from the pin.

If some one has got the adapter from Stephen, could he look at if it the same system or if it is possible to let
the adapter on the camera?

f the light is very low, the image can get noisy/grainy. But it is still far easier for me to focus the G1 even under these conditions than it is an M, including the M8. It's not even close.
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It was also my impression -focusing is n o t more "difficult" than with a traditional rangefinder - in low light situation it is IMHO easier.
 
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veraikon said:
If some one has got the adapter from Stephen, could he look at if it the same system or if it is possible to let
the adapter on the camera?
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As far as I know, the CameraQuest adapter is not yet available. I don't know if anyone outside Japan has seen one.


That was also my impression -focusing is n o t more "difficult" than whith a traditional rangefinder - in low light situation it is IMHO easier.
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In practice, I don't see that it will be necessary to focus wide open, and stop down to meter. Just focus and meter stopped down. The traditional 'stop down metering' method doesn't really apply.
 
When I got my mits on a G1 I thought it was neat but maybe not a keeper for me, panasonic cameras have never really struck a cord with me, now though its hard to say, it really is a clever little camera and I have to give panasonic credit for a great effort even if it is a little conservative in the body design, also i dont like how bare the left control for focus is, seems like a after thought. Also I am rather disappointed to learn that the 20mm 1.7 that many of us here would find so interesting will not be image stabilized which is kind of a let down.

I do find this a very compelling camera even with its problems, for instance the high iso performance is not great, and the way it can watercolor smear details is typically panasonic (though vastly improved from other panasonics I have used), I must say I wouldnt blame anyone for buying one. What keeps me from smacking down my money for one though besides the price is olympus, I want that in body image stabilization. Also the finder, though very nice and large is flanked top and bottom with a hell of a lot of unnecessary icons that could be put somewhere else where you dont always have to look at them. Maybe thats just from using a rangefinder for a while, you get used to a bare minimum. One of the things I like a lot about this camera is that the drive switch is indeed a switch so I can easily change from single to continuous mode, something I hate about my Ricoh GRD is that if you have it in continuous mode and shut the camera off it goes back to single then I got to turn the camera on, go to the shortcut menu and reengage it in too many button presses, panasonic made it a physical control and I appreciate that a lot.


So what does it come down to for me? The Panasonic is a great camera, a great choice for a walk around/light weight kit camera and then there is the fun to be had with adapted lenses. The incoming 20 1.7 is not stabilized, boo. The Olympus prototype did not have a finder on it, boo, but if it lives up to its DNA the Olympus will have in body stabilization, many points there. 2x image crop would not be so nice for adapted lens users but not a total loss, I cant wait to be able to stick my zeiss 28 biogon zm on the G1! The G1's battery life is so so, I have not run one down all the way but seems like a second battery would be a must. Also its not a main camera for me, even though both are 12 mega pixels, the canon 5D mops the floor with the G1, the 5D though old is still a titan. Also that prototype camera olympus showed....can you imagine putting a lens besides that small prime they showed on it? Even the G1's kit lens would look ridiculous on that thing not to mention a telephoto. Do you hold the camera and rotate the lens or the other way around?

Sigh...its a hard choice either way, I think we will know more in January when PMA comes around.
 
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