My Eternal Quest - Some help?

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adayoncedawned

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Hello,

I purchased an M6 TTL on eBay this month. It arrived today. I was quite shocked to see how misrepresented the item was, clearly not in an excellent condition and clearly used much more than the seller had stated. But while I concerned myself with the cosmetics I began to grow increasingly frustrated with the fact that I could not remove the body cap.

Has anyone here ever experienced a stuck body cap on an M6 before? Mine has a very strange behavior - it has a small amount of play where it will move just enough so that if I push it back in the other direction, the bayonet lock will click back into place. And the whole body cap actually seems to rotate on one point somewhere near the top of the body. I think that's where whatever is preventing the cap from moving must be located. It is the spot where the cap moves the least when I move it around.

A local Leica distributor suggested to me that it's possible the cap has been mounted incorrectly and they even think it may be necessary to disassemble the body to remove it safely.

This is my second M6 purchase. I'm very excited to say that the first one I bought required a CLA due to the shutter speeds being off, but I sold that one to someone who was not as picky as myself and opted for another M6, a TTL this time as that was what I originally wanted anyway. Now this, I'm not having much luck for a camera that is supposed to be mechanically fool-proof. I'm also not having much luck finding an honest human. And worse, I bought the first one locally, in person.

It's quite disappointing since I'm trying to buy these cameras to be used, not to sit on some shelf in my den. I can't believe a seller would so obviously misrepresent an item. I even opened a dialogue with the seller before the end of the auction during which they assured me that "honestly" the camera was in excellent condition. This comes on the heels of another purchase by my best friend who picked up a 35mm Summicron, advertised as MINT, which arrived unusable - with a broken focus tab and extremely stiff action (probably the origin of the broken focus tab).

I guess I cannot decide whether this post is a dig on humanity or a call for advice on the stuck body cap. If anybody has any hints on the cap, I'd love to hear them. And if you are selling something, please describe and represent it accurately and if not, I hope you ejaculate rubbing alcohol into an eternal lake of fire.

Thank you.
 
imho, there are usually two sides to stories like these, but I'm sorry you aren't having good successes with your online deals. However, it does seem you were able to get rid of that M6 with bad shutter speeds, I'm sure he's thrilled with his exposures...

Be lucky you got a body cap, often anything worth more than a dime is first stripped off the object before being shipped (after the pics of course), this goes for the classifieds here as well, ime.
 
Well, I took a $400 dollar loss when I sold my first M6 and I made the buyer fully aware that the camera required a CLA to perform optimally. I think that's quite a difference from the guy I bought it from who sold it as mint - which I paid the premium for. So what's his side of the story? Ignorance?

Sorry, doesn't cut it.
 
i feel for ya, i do.

but this...And if you are selling something, please describe and represent it accurately and if not, I hope you ejaculate rubbing alcohol into an eternal lake of fire...is not a very good first impression.

did someone from rff sell you either camera? yet you come here to vent and wish nasty things upon us?

as to the bady cap, i imagine someone will be along sooner or later with some helpful advice. i have no idea why it's stuck.
joe
 
If venting is not permitted in these forums I will remove that line. It is not directed to the people who sold me my cameras, it is directed towards any individual misrepresenting their items.

If I can influence one person to be more honest about the item they are selling - and believe me, you may be surprised but people will still willingly but items that are not mint condition - then that harsh statement is worth it.
 
I never even visited flea bay for these reasons.

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adayoncedawned said:
If venting is not permitted in these forums I will remove that line. It is not directed to the people who sold me my cameras, it is directed towards any individual misrepresenting their items.

If I can influence one person to be more honest about the item they are selling - and believe me, you may be surprised but people will still willingly but items that are not mint condition - then that harsh statement is worth it.


we all vent and that's fine.
my point was we barely know you and the first thing you do is lecture us.
i like a bit of hi, how are ya, first.

joe
 
back alley said:
we all vent and that's fine.
my point was we barely know you and the first thing you do is lecture us.
i like a bit of hi, how are ya, first.

joe

Fair enough. Unfortunately I've never been good at first impressions as I am clinically a social retard.

Ronald M said:
I never even visited flea bay for these reasons.

Understand that I loathe to purchase there. I live in an area where finding this type of equipment is difficult and being on the other side of the border, the added cost of importing something is high. The more I spend, of course, the more the import costs. Ultimately, my desire to make great photographs outweighs my patience and my wisdom, it would seem.
 
Did you try flipping up the back, opening the shutter on B, and looking toward the front to examine the lens mount from the inside? I wonder if your body cap might have a broken lug or something, causing it to hang up on some protrusion just inside the lensmount, such as the rangefinder coupling arm.

If you can spot what's hanging up, and if it seems safe to do so, you may be able to reach in with tweezers and move the problem part of the cap so it can be removed.
 
jlw said:
Did you try flipping up the back, opening the shutter on B, and looking toward the front to examine the lens mount from the inside? I wonder if your body cap might have a broken lug or something, causing it to hang up on some protrusion just inside the lensmount, such as the rangefinder coupling arm.

If you can spot what's hanging up, and if it seems safe to do so, you may be able to reach in with tweezers and move the problem part of the cap so it can be removed.

Yes, I have done so and with a flashlight. There is no hint from the inside - the cap is completely flush to every visible area around the bayonet mount. Puzzling indeed. I really think that the issue is with the cap itself, having been improperly mounted and forced into a bad position, either that or some piece on the cap is damaged and is blocking the normal functioning of the bayonet.

I'll have the camera looked at closer by a technician tomorrow, so I'm crossing my fingers.
 
You probably already thught of this, but you could use a shutter release cable to keep her open while you operate.
If it doesn't work, I'll buy it for 400 less than whatever you paid🙄 🙄 🙄
 
JLW said what I was about to say. Another possibility. It's nearly four years since I sold my M3, and I can't remember if it might be possible to open the lens catch (9 o'clock when you're looking at the camera from the front, finder windows up). A practical consideration is that eBay is by definition a gamble.
 
Up to the M4-2 at least, and going only by pictures, it seems possible to undo the lens catch with a screwdriver. However, since a technician is to look at your body.... Good luck.
 
Sorry about your luck

Sorry about your luck

Did the seller have a return policy? When I was buying on ebay I only bid on items with a return policy.

I had the exact opposite experience with a seller near Vancouver. I discovered a fatal but repairable problem with a Canon VI-T body. The film rewind crank failed to engage and rewind the film. I didn't discover the problem until after the 7 day return period. The seller immediately offerd to refund my money or pay for the repair. We opted for the $50 repair. The seller is a photographer, but he admitted that he had not run a roll of film through the camera. The lesson I learned: don't buy cameras from non-users! It's pretty easy to spot the sellers who don't know their f-stops from their elbow.

BTW, the gentleman I bought the Canon body from dabbles in used equipment in your backyard. Contact me off forum & I'll pass along his contact information. He may know where you can find a good M6 TTL.

In the future, perhaps these folks can help you:

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I bought my DR Summicron from The Leica Boutique in Montreal. Dealer prices are almost always higher than buying from an individual. However, Jean at Leica Boutique provided an excellent product with good service. Highly recommended.

Good luck!
 
I have never been able to win anything on eBay because I am on a dial up and somone has always come in at the last second and won the item for $1 more than my bid. I have purchased a few "Buy It Nows" but only from people who also have retail stores, and nothing photographic related. I have never sold anything to anyone, not even privately. So with those admissions in mind, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion the seller was being purposely deceitful. What was his feedback and for how many auctions? Were most or all of his other items camera related, and specifically Leica? Leicas seem to be held to a tighter standard for condition, and people unfamiliar with them don't always recognize a problem. I agree that eBay is a gamble and even someone who has never had a deal go sour will eventually run afoul of the odds, but I also think the nature of eBay calls for developing a set of "street smarts" tailored to it, and probably those people who have had a great number of positive buying experiences are those who have those smarts down pat.

As to your particular situation, what is the seller's response? Will he not give you a full refund, at worst minus the shipping? Life is short and there are so many serious things that can happen, why waste precious energy stressing over this? Send it back, move on. KEH probably has just the camera you're looking for.
 
I've had some disappointments on eBay as well, but generally things have been pretty good. It all starts with being very careful on what you bid on; be a bit cynical about descriptions, look at the seller's history even to going through recent completed auction pages, read any negative or neutral feedback. Sometimes if I'm on the fence I'll ask the seller a question about the item and assess the quality of his reply.

I've gotten some bad gear, but it usually comes at a very low price, so I figure I got what I paid for! On the one item that turned out not to work the way the seller had claimed, he took it back and refunded even the shipping. Dealing with a good seller is so important!
 
with well over 100 transactions (almost all purchases) i've had all positive experiences. i know i'm lucky and maybe i've jynxed it with all this talk.

i have no serious data to support my rules but they are as follows:
(1) never buy without a return poilicy
(2) check for numerous positive feedback
(3) however, be aware of too many transactions from the seller. this indicates to me the seller is either from an estate, a pawn shop or from one of those shops you can take things to and they'll put your ad up on ebay on consignment. i always try to stick to buying things from one's personal collection.
(4) pay through paypal. they can, and will, help resolve conflicts.
(5) ask any questions and READ VERY CAREFULLY! read every word and think about what's written. "i don't have a battery to test the product to see if it works but i'm sure it does" is not a good sign to me.
(6) cross your fingers and hope.

sorry for your frustration.

a small aside, i do break my rules once in a while for cheap things. like i bought an old Diane F from an estate with a no return policy. i figured the $40 was like going to Vegas and if i lost it then i'd just not go out to dinner this week. but would i buy something like an M6? no way!

- chris

just a quick story, i rememeber surfing ebay last christmas when it was hard to get the latest playstation or nintendo or whatever and i wanted to se what they were going for. well, there was this person who was selling JUST THE BOX. the picture in the add was the same picture everyone else was using and his/her add listed all the specs and such. it all looked fine with no red flags. then, burried in the middle of the add, i saw one little sentence that said "this is for the box only. there is no game inside". last i had checked the seller had sold almost 10 of these at about $400 each. BUYER BEWARE!
 
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I once bought an f3.5 5cm Elmar on eBay that had a stuck focus ring. The seller offered a refund but I elected to keep the lens and get it fixed. Other than that I've been lucky I guess. In the past year I've bought an M3, a IIIa, a Summar, Summitar, Elmar f4 9cm, SBOOI finder, and several filters, adapters and straps. All have been better than described and good bargains. It's like someone else said; you need to examine the seller's feedback and get a sense of whether they are familiar with Leica items and honest.
 
If you
- Are a brave man
- wish to keep the camera (seller does not accept return)
- like DIY
- Do not want to go to a propper repair service,

then

you may try carefully to remove the cap by simply cutting it into pieces.
With patience and a chisel remove a square from the center.
Must do from the inside with good support behind the cap.
Be sure the curtains do not close when you do it and not to create little flints of plastic.
Once you have the first hole, work towards the outsides.

But then, I qualify for all the ifs and I would not do it myself...

Mad_boy (true to its name again)
 
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