My Eternal Quest - Some help?

Send it to DAG (Don Goldberg) or Sherry Krauter for a CLA. They will get it fixed and in working condition.

For future reference, KEH is a fairly safe bet for used equipment, as is buying from regulars here at RFF or at photo.net. Note I say "regulars", always do your research 🙂

In any event, sorry about your troubles, and welcome to the forum.

PS: who was the Ebay seller you bought from, if you'd care to disclose. I'm curious as to his feedback.
 
aday...

Sorry you must feel gutted.

From memory the M baynet is 4x metal tabs backed with spring steel (the springs to pull in the lens lugs). It is possible for a lens lug to enter between the spring and the baynet tabs. It is also possible that the trailing edge of the lug may latch under leading edge of the tab.

There is a lot of variation in spring tension and lens. In '72 had a new (9cm summ) lens that always engaged between the tab and string steel on the top most tab, leitz UK fixed it over their service counter, in 2 minutes, quick squeeze with pliers, no charge. They reduced the spring tension of the mount. The other Ms I has did not have the problem...

if the vendor never tried the cap on the body he may be unaware of the syndrome.

If your cap is the origional Leitz type then the screw in the middle of the cap can be removed carefully and I suspect the puter part cap will fall off, and the metal can be eased out. Don't mount a lens immediately if it does...

If you have a later cap or a third party cap you either need to send the body to a experienced M repair parson, or try destroying the cap yourself. Or try following.

If you look from the film frame can you see that all four cap lugs have slid over the springs? If one has slipped under a spring and has latched under an tab edge, either

- pushing in the cap local to the 'latched' lug as you screw off may clear the latch or

- you might be able to slip a metal strip from a feeler gauge into the gap to act as a pilot, so that the lug will slip out over the 'latch'. That is scrap one of the feeler gauge blades push it in to the latch area and then try to screw off the cap. The reason for scrapping the gauge is to not have anything in the shutter gate area in case the second blind should be tripped by accident.

Can you have another look please and report?

Noel
 
I'm the guy who bought the 35/2 summicron from Ebay with the broken focusing tab. I made very sure that the seller was legit. He sells about 7 leica items a week or more. I'll tell you who the seller is if you request it but other than that, I'm not here to talk trash about him.

I can assure you that my friend and I are extremely careful with our e-bay purchases and yet we've still gotten screwed over. The seller has offered a full refund for my friend so he's going that route.

Honestly, it's great advice you're giving but it's not required. We're not looking for a 500$ M6 or anything. He knows what he has to pay for a good one. The camera came looking like it was tied to a dog and dragged around.

"Only used 4 times".. 4 times in what? A war?

Anyways. I've got my M6, and I was really lucky to get one in great condition. There are still a lot of great people out there. adayoncedawned still needs an M6. He wants a camera that he'll never sell, he wants one to love and to hold. He's braver than I am. I keep mine in a half-case cause I don't want to scratch it :O

Please help him 🙂
 
"I can't believe a seller would so obviously misrepresent an item."

. . .you aren't from these parts, are you?

Ebay - particularly the camera section - is a shady place. Buy from KEH or other dealer with a return policy - and with a record of being straight-up.

Of course, I bought a lens from someone overseas once - an actual retailer - and he said it was "as new in the box, spotless, MINT". It was very very not mint. It has actual chips in the body, small marks in the glass, coating issues, and dust between the elements.
 
Ronald M said:
I never even visited flea bay for these reasons.

George Ury .com Classicconnection.com or LeicaSam.com- Tamarkin (ask for Eric or STan) is pretty good Brooklyn Camera Exchange - KEH- KB Camera- Bergen County Camera- Foto Care- West Coast Camera-Mark Theken-
I must say that there are honest people (as well as crook) on eBay. Even if you play it extremely safe you can still get killer deals on items with just a little bit of effort. One example is the JML Optical 56mm f/1.2 I bought for a little over $200 this year. The seller had feedback in the hundreds and all of it for surplus military test equipment like this so I figured he was a safe bet. I was recently offered $3,000 for this lens. No I'm not selling it.

Not quite at the same level but one more example is the Yashica Lynx 14 I bought just last week off of eBay. A hair over $35 with shipping and absolutely pristine.

In all these years I've only gotten ripped off one time (bought a lens for $250 and because of misrepresented condition ended up selling it later for almost nothing) yet I've got thousands upon thousands of dollars in photo gear that I saved anywhere from 10% to 90% per item that I could have never afforded otherwise (used and new).
 
Thanks for everyones thoughts... I've been really busy at work and outside of that as well and had to take a break from the foruming.

I am somewhat surprised that nobody has experienced the same behavior on an M body - I mean, given the factors that could possibly contribute to this result, and of course the fact that it is possible (which I have learned that it is, of course) I would figure that this would be more common. I'll certainly be paying closer attention any time I'm ever mounting a body cap again. Obviously this should be an extremely rare scenario since a Leica without a lens is like a hooker without a <insert witty simile here>.

In fact, my M6 never made it to a technician since the seller offered me a full refund, so I will be shipping the camera back this week. Once I get my refund back I'll be on the hunt again, minus the $200 that it cost me to import the thing, unfortunately.


shutterflower said:
"I can't believe a seller would so obviously misrepresent an item."

. . .you aren't from these parts, are you?

Ebay - particularly the camera section - is a shady place. Buy from KEH or other dealer with a return policy - and with a record of being straight-up.

Of course, I bought a lens from someone overseas once - an actual retailer - and he said it was "as new in the box, spotless, MINT". It was very very not mint. It has actual chips in the body, small marks in the glass, coating issues, and dust between the elements.

Ok, concerning my comment re: misrepresenation I would like to clarify. It seems very strange to me that a seller who is willing to offer a full refund would place a blatent lie such as 'this camera has been used four times since i received it brand new as a gift - i am the original owner.' in their description of the item. They know that the person is eventually going to physically receive the item and inspect it visually and it will become quite apparent that the item was misrepresented, and that the buyer is going to be disappointed.

It's also worth noting that regardless of whether a seller offers any sort of warrenty or return policy, eBay and PayPal have a system in place to deal with significantly misrepresented items. So it should be in the best interest of any seller to describe their items at least somewhere in the ball park. If the item description had said - 'this camera shows average signs of use but is working well' that would have been much more realistic and probably not deter very many buyers. Likely only a collector, but a collector isn't going to bid on a used M6 without a box/papers anyway.

Also, in my experience, the online dealers (stores) are not much more trustworthy. Most of these places do not test or inspect used items very thoroughly and it makes sense because that would be a gigantic overhead. It always comes back to the same standard: cosmetics. Almost every item that's out there for sale right now has been 'rated' by the seller on cosmetics, purely. 'Buy this camera, it's MINT!' Meanwhile the focus is completely miscalibrated.

But anyway. My 35/2 is getting lonely. Hopefully she won't be in the drawer for too long.
 
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