Myth Busting the Single Coated 40mm Summicron?

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When I started using 40mm lenses on Rangefinders I at first accepted the general statement that 40mm Summicrons are Single Coated and the CLE Rokkors are Multi-coated. A statement still repeated even now. Without doubt the CLE Rokkor is Multi-coated, but what I couldnt figure out was why the Summicron didnt seem to flare any more or less in identical situations. With no real theory or solution, I just kept on accepting the general coating statement of the 2 lenses.

Then one day I acquired an Elmar-C lens and its coatings were completely different in colour to that of my 40mm Summicron. It was more orange and the same as an Compact TE 90 I had as well, a lens that was supposed to be Multi-Coated. That was strange but possibly just that the 40-C's were coated one way and the 90-C's another. But it got me thinking perhaps I should watch out for either a 40 or 90 C lenses with coatings in reverse to the ones I first purchased. And then I found one! I have attached a photo for you side by side. One clearly has a deep purple blue coating the other quite orange. Leica is known not to announce certain changes so is this a case that through its production life was the 40mm Summicron given Multi-Coatings? There is certainly clear evidence of a coating change but could this just be a case of change in single coatings? One further thing I noticed was that the purple blue coated lenses were given phillips head screws for their mounts and the orange coated ones have been given regular screws for their mounts. None of the CL Rokkors I have observed have had the orange coating that I have seen on many Leica lenses of the period including R lenses.

So my fellow forum sleuths what do you think? I have a theory but there is one thing that doesnt fit but I will mention that later once I hear more of your thoughts?

PS This is just meant as a fun little puzzle that I have been pondering for a couple of years now just thought others may enjoy having a stab at it too given the number of 40mm enthusiasts that have been posting recently.
 

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I there is a difference in the time of manufacturing which may need to be considered. The Summicron and early Rokkors were made in the 1970s while the CLE Rokkor (multi coated) was made in the 80s for the CLE. I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
 
I think mine is orange, like my Elmarit and your right picture - but I have to check at home.
And it has flat screws. Is the blue one younger ? (you erased the serials ...)

BTW, the other day I also read an older post from you somewhere that the 40 Nokton
came in different versions. Could you summarize this again, please ?

Interesting stuff and Thanks !

Roland.
 
ferider said:
I think mine is orange, like my Elmarit and your right picture - but I have to check at home.
And it has flat screws. Is the blue one younger ? (you erased the serials ...)

BTW, the other day I also read an older post from you somewhere that the 40 Nokton
came in different versions. Could you summarize this again, please ?

Interesting stuff and Thanks !

Roland.

It comes single coated and multi coated. B&W people like the SC, while color users use the MC. I think the SC is good for both IMO.
 
SC or MC? It's so unimportant!

Take this into consideration: When developing a film it impossible to get ultra consistent results. Sahking one more time or one time less and there you gain or lose some contrast. That's without even mentioning SC or MC! There are so many variables in play. SC or MC is yoyally irrelevant.
 
Artorius said:
It comes single coated and multi coated. B&W people like the SC, while color users use the MC. I think the SC is good for both IMO.

Thanks Art, but this is not what I meant (I have both SC & MC - still). Apparently, CV changed
the mechanics of the mount over time.

Best,

Roland.
 
Other lens manufacturers changed the coatings of the "same" lens over time as well. Coating materials and deposition technology changed (I'm not an expert), so it's not surprising. Still interesting, though, with respect to any visible differences in results.
 
NB23 is correct. The difference between modern single and multi coating is negligible compared to other factors. I read a technical report on this a few years ago, but I've lost the reference.

Richard
 
BTW, the other day I also read an older post from you somewhere that the 40 Nokton
came in different versions. Could you summarize this again, please ?

Hi, what happened if you remember when the Nokton first came out many users reported that the focusing was very stiff and although it would loosen with time, it would loosen so much that the front of the lens started to wobble. Cosina reacted quickly and actually redesigned the internals of the lens and fixed the problem by the release of the second batch. You can identify which is which by looking at the back of the lens. I posted pics to demonstrate with that post you were reading, I cant seem to find the pics at the moment though. Note that not all the first batch lenses developed the problem but Cosina did the right thing to be safe and sure.
 
Palaeoboy said:
Well done Dan, its the serial numbers that doesnt quite fit! The version I would have thought to be the multicoated version has the lower serial number.

Perhaps the sample with MC underwent a transplant of its front element, hence the lower serial number ... unless you know that the other elements are also MC.

Prime lenses with only a few optical groups are fine with SC. My pre-Ai Nikkors aren't any more flare prone than my MC lenses.

OTOH, even MC lenses like the 50 Cron and the 90 TE can be susceptible to flare.
 
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