New 50mm 1.2 owner....the right thing?!

OurManInTangier

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I've just bought a Canon 50mm 1.2, though not yet taken delivery. These appear to be fairly contentious lenses from the research that I've done so I'm hoping that I get lucky and it fulfills what I want from it. Namely, to be an extremely cheap stand-in for a Noctilux/Hexanon that I can bash around and generally abuse, as I end up doing with most of my kit.

My first RF 50mm lens was the Canon 1.8 which I still have and is a great little lens, though I then bought the CZ f/2 Planar as a replacement. Both lenses still get used pretty much daily on different bodies but I fancied something that I could use either simply for effect or for low light shooting which I am starting to do more and more ( again, on a very low budget.)

I don't use anything over a 50mm so big lenses aren't something I'm used to on RF cameras. I also don't tend to shoot for pretty effects and until recently most of my pictures were taken with either fast film or in relatively good conditions. As such a Nocti or Hexanon would, in my eyes have been an expensive impulse purchase that may have proved costly if I discover that I don't get enough out of this type of lens.

I suppose the question in the title of this thread is less about whether I've done the right thing as thats irrelevant now, but whether you guys/girls out there that do own it genuinely find that little extra half stop or so vital or whether this is really a lens for getting some good looking images when wide open ( again, on a budget and not compared to the other two more expensive lenses.)

As I said at the start of my post, I know this can turn into a heated debate between owners of different lenses and I'm not trolling so please keep this to opinions on the Canon 1.2 without bringing the other two into it....if only because until I know whether this whole super wide open stuff is for me I certainly won't be shelling out that kind of money regardless of how good they may be deemed.

Thanks
 
I like mine. If it's adjusted correctly and in a good condition , here are shots at f1.2:

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So it seems
'Our Man in Tangiers' is taking the plunge into the World of more oof...COOL
I have loved your work....very Spot On & Crisp
and look forward to your new canon 1.2 Glass & Vision
Best- H
 
Hi,

congrats!
Great little lens!
At 1.2 a little soft for my taste when out of low light, but from 1.4 on outstanding!
It goes very well with a M3. My favorite low light kit.

Ciao

Joerg
 
...If it's adjusted correctly...

Ahh-ha. Now I've heard talk of this and being that I'm technically an idiot, or perhaps just an idiot with technical things...what does this actually mean. What needs to be adjusted and why? Can I not simply slip it onto my M6 and snap away? I'd understand there being potential issues with M8 usage but had hoped for a simple life with the film bodies.

helenhill said:
So it seems
'Our Man in Tangiers' is taking the plunge into the World of more oof...COOL
I have loved your work....very Spot On & Crisp
and look forward to your new canon 1.2 Glass & Vision
Best- H

That's exceptionally kind of you Helen, thank you. I've been a devotee of f4 for some time and am looking to try something a bit different. I hope that I can get to grips with it when it eventually arrives.
 
It has very smooth bokeh but if you're looking for the ultimate in sharpness when stopped down it's not the right choice. The f/1.8 Canon will run circles around it.

Today I was doing some net surfing and discovered that at one time Zeiss made a small run of 0.9 lenses in Contax mount, and I know that adapters have been available to mount rangefinder coupled Contax lenses to Leicas...drool...even though I know that a lot of Zeiss designs have lousy bokeh...but perhaps a Cosina Voigtlander copy at under $1,000? I'd be the first in line. Dream on...
 
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Dear Simon,

Is the half stop decisive? Not in my opinion and experience, which is also why I sold my F-mount f/1.2 Nikkor.

Is the lens worth having? Yes, if you like the look. I actually like the softness at f/22 and find it remarkably sharp with high-contrast subjects at f/5.6 and f/8. At full bore it's... romantic.

Put it this way. I've not bothered to sell mine, because it's worth more to me for the few shots I take with it than it is to sell.

But like any other lens, it isn't a 'magic bullet' except perhaps for a VERY few photographers who find that it perfectly matches their vision.

Cheers,

Roger
 
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It has very smooth bokeh but if you're looking for the ultimate in sharpness when stopped down it's not the right choice. The f/1.8 Canon will run circles around it.

Today I was doing some net surfing and discovered that at one time Zeiss made a small run of 0.9 lenses in Contax mount, and I know that adapters have been available to mount rangefinder coupled Contax lenses to Leicas...drool...even though I know that a lot of Zeiss designs have lousy bokeh...but perhaps a Cosina Voigtlander copy at under $1,000? I'd be the first in line. Dream on...

For the speed freaks (like me), have a look at this guy's lenses on Flickr!!!!
 
Dear Simon,

Is the half stop decisive? Not in my opinion and experience, which is also why I sold my F-mount f/1.2 Nikkor.

Is the lens worth having? Yes, if you like the look. I actually like the softness at f/22 and find it remarkably sharp with high-contrast subjects at f/5.6 and f/8. At full bore it's... romantic.

Put it this way. I've not bothered to sell mine, because it's worth more to me for the few shots I take with it than it is to sell.

But like any other lens, it isn't a 'magic bullet' except perhaps for a VERY few photographers who find that it perfectly matches their vision.

Cheers,

Roger

Hello Roger.

If 'magic bullet' lenses existed I'd be typing this from my laptop on my way to yet another interview about my glittering photographic career and those who clamour to have me photograph them😉

The fast lenses, although offering a little extra help speed wise, are for me more about the effect on DOF. Something which I would like to play with a little more as an option. I have started to take a few more images in lower light situations and not being the type to photograph buildings and use a tripod I think my tactic of using faster film will have a greater effect than the extra half stop...however, I have the shakiest hands of any photographer I know so the extra half stop may, one day, be useful!? Clearly I'm not about to spend the serious money on one of the 'other two' fast lenses but as I can, thankfully, easily afford the Canon 1.2 I think its worth having at least to try out.

meven said:
For the speed freaks (like me), have a look at this guy's lenses on Flickr!!!!

I hate to sound pompous, rude and 'unprovenly lofty' but I hope that by having a faster lens with slightly more extreme DOF/bokeh effects doesn't mean that all my photographs will become little more than wide open shots of flowers, clothes pegs on a disappearing line and all the other pitfalls there seem to be with owning such a lens. 😱
 
I hate to sound pompous, rude and 'unprovenly lofty' but I hope that by having a faster lens with slightly more extreme DOF/bokeh effects doesn't mean that all my photographs will become little more than wide open shots of flowers, clothes pegs on a disappearing line and all the other pitfalls there seem to be with owning such a lens. 😱

That's exact the pitfall using the "super-fast" lenses ... quite likely a huge amount of extreme DoF / bokeh shots ... For testing accurate focus it is useful but otherwise gets soon boring ... I found that using a 50mm at f/1.2 and faster gives best results at distances above 3m. Night life in a city or impressions from events, bars, restaurants, concerts ... 🙂

Enjoy your new lens ! ... and post some photos !!

Cheers,

Gabor
 
Ahh-ha. Now I've heard talk of this and being that I'm technically an idiot, or perhaps just an idiot with technical things...what does this actually mean. What needs to be adjusted and why? Can I not simply slip it onto my M6 and snap away? I'd understand there being potential issues with M8 usage but had hoped for a simple life with the film bodies.

Well, in some cases this means shimming the lens. THese were suppose to have a shim inside, which sometimes gets lost during CLA/repair and then lens can't focus correctly. In others - some more serious surgery due to someone's "repeair". Sometimes these have haze, etc. For an older lens these seem to be a gamble. But if you get a good one, or have it CLA'd/adjusted to make sure it focuses correct on your camera - it's a nice lens to have. Good luck with yours and post some pics from it when you get it!
 
Well, in some cases this means shimming the lens. THese were suppose to have a shim inside, which sometimes gets lost during CLA/repair and then lens can't focus correctly. In others - some more serious surgery due to someone's "repeair". Sometimes these have haze, etc. For an older lens these seem to be a gamble. But if you get a good one, or have it CLA'd/adjusted to make sure it focuses correct on your camera - it's a nice lens to have. Good luck with yours and post some pics from it when you get it!


Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll have to do some extreme DOF shots intially just to see if it needs any adjustment.


maddoc said:
I found that using a 50mm at f/1.2 and faster gives best results at distances above 3m. Night life in a city or impressions from events, bars, restaurants, concerts ... 🙂

Enjoy your new lens ! ... and post some photos !!

Exactly the reason I wanted a faster lens, the effect of less DOF but used as a normal lens without succumbing to the usual stuff!

I'll post some pictures once its arrived and been checked....and I've got anything worthwhile from it!

Cheers
 
Simon,
I hope you'll enjoy your lens and will share some photos here when you'll have. The canon 50 f1.2 is a lens I'd like to try ...
Ciao
 
Simon,
I hope you'll enjoy your lens and will share some photos here when you'll have. The canon 50 f1.2 is a lens I'd like to try ...
Ciao


Hi Nico. I had toyed with the idea of getting the 1.4 for ages as I'd heard good things about it but plumped for the 1.2 instead after a little research. There don't seem to be many about, maybe I have just kept missing them?

I bet you'd make the most of its speed too, I've said it before you're King of the Dark😀 If I like it you can always borrow my Canon 1.8 if you fancy it. Slightly slower but still my most used lens even though I have the CZ Planar that is also excellent.

Cheers
 
...I've said it before you're King of the Dark😀
😱!! Gosh! I feel scared by myself.... 😀😀

If I like it you can always borrow my Canon 1.8 if you fancy it. Slightly slower but still my most used lens even though I have the CZ Planar that is also excellent. Cheers

Thanks a lot for the offer Simon, maybe when I'll be in London we can organize a lens swap ...

Ciao!
 
I hate to sound pompous, rude and 'unprovenly lofty' but I hope that by having a faster lens with slightly more extreme DOF/bokeh effects doesn't mean that all my photographs will become little more than wide open shots of flowers, clothes pegs on a disappearing line and all the other pitfalls there seem to be with owning such a lens. 😱

Yes, you are right about that, the aim of my post was just to show some crazy conversions, after what the guy does with his kit is not my problem...🙄
 
. . . The fast lenses, although offering a little extra help speed wise, are for me more about the effect on DOF. Something which I would like to play with a little more as an option. . .

I don't really see much advantage there either, compared with either of my f/1.5 lenses (Sonnar and Nokton); if anything, I find that the extra sharpness of the Nokton, in particular, emphasizes the focus gradient more (in the sense of the difference between in-focus and out-of-focus). Edit: In fact, I half suspect that stopping the Canon down to f/1.4 might have the same effect, because the image does crisp up quite rapidly. Dunno: never tried it. You might care to, though.

Then again, I don't shoot that many lenses wide open for shallow d-o-f. The main ones that I do use that way are mostly quite long: 135/2.8 Elmarit-M, 135/1.8 Soligor, 21 inch f/7.7 (on 10x8 inch).

The lens I really liked for shallow d-o-f and three-dimensional rendering was the 58/1.4 Nikkor, one of many lenses I wish I'd never sold. Funny: there are few if any cameras I regret selling, but quite a lot of lenses.

Cheers,

R.
 
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