David_Manning
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The 20x30 print I was referring to above arrived this afternoon. It was ordered in Apple Aperture 3.x and uploaded automatically.
It really looks phenomenal. I opened up a copy of Moriyama's "The World Through My Eyes" and his Tri-X images look amazingly, hauntingly like the RX100 digital file put through SilverEfex Pro and then LightJet-printed (which is I think what Apple is using last I checked...but I'm sure they have several print contractors).
I'm very satisfied, and I'm pretty picky. $14.99 plus tax and shipping.
I'm convinced there is really no reason Moriyama can't duplicate his methodology, processes, and look and have the resultant prints blend with his earlier work...AND satisfy galleries or buyers. The real question in my mind is whether a collector will pay top-dollar for an easily-duplicated ink jet print.
It really looks phenomenal. I opened up a copy of Moriyama's "The World Through My Eyes" and his Tri-X images look amazingly, hauntingly like the RX100 digital file put through SilverEfex Pro and then LightJet-printed (which is I think what Apple is using last I checked...but I'm sure they have several print contractors).
I'm very satisfied, and I'm pretty picky. $14.99 plus tax and shipping.
I'm convinced there is really no reason Moriyama can't duplicate his methodology, processes, and look and have the resultant prints blend with his earlier work...AND satisfy galleries or buyers. The real question in my mind is whether a collector will pay top-dollar for an easily-duplicated ink jet print.
Faintandfuzzy
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Hey David...when you,re running them through Silverefex, do you use the Tri.x setting as is, or do you pump up the contrat and grain?
nightfly
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In that video it looks like he (or his lackey) is using SilverEfx when he gives the "make it black and white" command. For the size he's been doing lately I bet he's using digital printing for his film black and white stuff as well as someone mentioned above.
Glad your photo came out well.
As he says in the video I think he's more interested in the books than the prints as artifacts of his work. So I bet although he likes to sell prints, he's not someone who's overly concerned with that like other artists might be.
Probably his gallerists and collectors are more worried than he is.
Have you printed any color stuff out of the RX100 that you like?
Glad your photo came out well.
As he says in the video I think he's more interested in the books than the prints as artifacts of his work. So I bet although he likes to sell prints, he's not someone who's overly concerned with that like other artists might be.
Probably his gallerists and collectors are more worried than he is.
Have you printed any color stuff out of the RX100 that you like?
Haigh
Gary Haigh
Beautiful.Thank you for posting it. Even though he shoots digital many of his images look like roughly processed film. Can anyone enlighten me?
nightfly
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Most of his older black and white images are film shot on tri-x. Some of his really old stuff from 1971 New York is half frame (Olympus Pen W). Blown up you really see the grain.
I assume he develops longer or hotter or stronger (or some combination of the 3) than recommended to accentuate grain and contrast on these.
Digitally all I know is what you see in the video "make it black and white" and it looks like his assistant is working in SilverEFX on the black and white stuff.
Not sure what his color processing routine is. Looks like a Nikon 9100 (as others have said) which I think only shoots JPG so that roughed up in Lightroom I assume. Maybe ColorEFX since he's using Nik Software for his black and white (just a guess).
I assume he develops longer or hotter or stronger (or some combination of the 3) than recommended to accentuate grain and contrast on these.
Digitally all I know is what you see in the video "make it black and white" and it looks like his assistant is working in SilverEFX on the black and white stuff.
Not sure what his color processing routine is. Looks like a Nikon 9100 (as others have said) which I think only shoots JPG so that roughed up in Lightroom I assume. Maybe ColorEFX since he's using Nik Software for his black and white (just a guess).
They already do for color... and they appear to be more archival than c-prints.
David_Manning
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For my Moriyama-style soup, I'm actually using the TMax 3200 preset. It gives higher contrast and the grain looks about right in print. I then season to taste 
I also use vignettes, and offset them so they're not all perfectly consistent.
It looks like his assistant is using SilverEfex Pro also...so I know it's a proven concept in the art world
I also use vignettes, and offset them so they're not all perfectly consistent.
It looks like his assistant is using SilverEfex Pro also...so I know it's a proven concept in the art world
David_Manning
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Oh, and no color prints yet from the RX100. I'll do that next...at 20x30 to see how it holds up.
nightfly
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Nice work David, keep it up. Enjoy the big prints.
Interested to hear how the color prints come out and your continuing impressions of the RX100. It's on my short list of compact digitals. Need to wean myself off my GR1 and T4 for travel and as my favorite films disappear...
Interested to hear how the color prints come out and your continuing impressions of the RX100. It's on my short list of compact digitals. Need to wean myself off my GR1 and T4 for travel and as my favorite films disappear...
David_Manning
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My impression of the RX100 after using it, shooting it, and traveling with it...
It's an incredibly capable camera...period. I'm amazed it's a compact...it shoots like a bigger camera (fast focus, fully user-adjustable or manual).
The thing for me that detracts from the user experience is the fact that is SEEMS like a P&S compact. The images somehow feel less "worthy" because it can operate like a smartphone.
That being said, get the jpeg or RAW files in the computer, and there is no functional difference to my eyes or my mind between it and say Fuji X100 files and 5DmkII files (which are about the same size). Of course, it's not really a portrait camera...no creamy bokeh (you can get some, but you really have to work at it). It'll never replace a 50mm wide-open...but that's really the only limitation for me.
So at the end of the day, I have to try to slow down and shoot it like a big camera and not wave it around like a compact...but there is no doubt, it delivers the goods. IQ is top-notch.
I can print large with a very filmic look for b&w...and that's very important. I'll print color next.
It's an incredibly capable camera...period. I'm amazed it's a compact...it shoots like a bigger camera (fast focus, fully user-adjustable or manual).
The thing for me that detracts from the user experience is the fact that is SEEMS like a P&S compact. The images somehow feel less "worthy" because it can operate like a smartphone.
That being said, get the jpeg or RAW files in the computer, and there is no functional difference to my eyes or my mind between it and say Fuji X100 files and 5DmkII files (which are about the same size). Of course, it's not really a portrait camera...no creamy bokeh (you can get some, but you really have to work at it). It'll never replace a 50mm wide-open...but that's really the only limitation for me.
So at the end of the day, I have to try to slow down and shoot it like a big camera and not wave it around like a compact...but there is no doubt, it delivers the goods. IQ is top-notch.
I can print large with a very filmic look for b&w...and that's very important. I'll print color next.
David_Manning
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Also, I haven't yet missed shooting my Contax T3 instead...and THAT'S saying something for me.
David_Manning
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Not a great image, but an idea of the print from the RX100.
I'm scanning Tri-X at 16MP and getting good 20x30...so there is plenty of data from the RX's 20MP...I don't know anything about Moriyama's Nikon.
I'm scanning Tri-X at 16MP and getting good 20x30...so there is plenty of data from the RX's 20MP...I don't know anything about Moriyama's Nikon.
David_Manning
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Very interesting. Moriyama doesn't seem committed to any particular compact digital.
Spyro
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that nikon is a jpeg only camera
Faintandfuzzy
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nightfly
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If any of you are in or can get to London to check out the Klein + Moriyama show at the Tate Modern before it closes next week, I highly recommend it.
Made a special trip here to see it (glommed on to wife's work trip) and it was well worth it.
Better on Klein than Moriyama I thought but very completest including very rare old Japanese photo mags and books courtesy of Martin Paar's personal collection.
Pretty much heaven if you like either of these guys.
Made a special trip here to see it (glommed on to wife's work trip) and it was well worth it.
Better on Klein than Moriyama I thought but very completest including very rare old Japanese photo mags and books courtesy of Martin Paar's personal collection.
Pretty much heaven if you like either of these guys.
MikePenn
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I've had the privilege of meeting Daido twice, own a good deal of his books, an autographed Ricoh, a print coming soon and have followed his career for a while now.
He hasn't been in a darkroom for over two years and his main digital camera is the Nikon S9100. Fuji is sponsoring his current work in Hong Kong and have given him a Fuji X10.
Here are some good videos on the man.
Daido Moriyama - In Pictures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foWAs3V_lkg
Daido Moriyama - Near Equal (full movie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUAk84LDFVA
An Evening With Daido Moriyama (I went to this)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-4IDecok5c
Daido Moriyama - Print Show TKY
http://vimeo.com/31629251
He hasn't been in a darkroom for over two years and his main digital camera is the Nikon S9100. Fuji is sponsoring his current work in Hong Kong and have given him a Fuji X10.
Here are some good videos on the man.
Daido Moriyama - In Pictures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foWAs3V_lkg
Daido Moriyama - Near Equal (full movie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUAk84LDFVA
An Evening With Daido Moriyama (I went to this)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-4IDecok5c
Daido Moriyama - Print Show TKY
http://vimeo.com/31629251
David_Manning
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This is a link to the American Suburb X website which has the full 5-minute Daido video about his trip to Hong Kong.
Daido Moriyama visits Hong Kong 2012
Daido Moriyama visits Hong Kong 2012
Murchu
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Cheers for the link David, listening to Moriyama is always enjoyable