james.liam
Well-known
The WTO sanction the EU for unfair subsidies that damage the US aviation industry but the consumers in the US pick up the tab?
How else do you propose pressuring the EU to mend its corporatist ways? They’ve had a pass on everything since VE Day.
Ever see how large Airbus is assembled? Instead of a single large plant, massive sections and components are transported by plane, train, barge and truck from all across Western Europe to Toulouse for final assembly. Very “green”. And heavily subsidized.
Montag
Established
Ugh. “VE Day”. “Very green”. It’s a massive aeroplane running on kerosene, wut.
Less consumerism, more film/creativity/fun/kindness.
Less consumerism, more film/creativity/fun/kindness.
james.liam
Well-known
Ugh. “VE Day”. “Very green”. It’s a massive aeroplane running on kerosene, wut.
Less consumerism, more film/creativity/fun/kindness.
Montag, “Consumerism” is what brought you the wondrous devices and media we spend endless hours jabbering about here, not to mention the one you’re typing on to post your thoughts. Should not be used as a pejorative. Good neighborliness & respect for other like-minded nations begets “kindness”.
“Creativity” can only be nurtured where there’s regard for intellectual property and an unspoken expectation of proper reward for one’s efforts. All things corporatism, autocratism, socialism, marxism and crony capitalism are diametrically set against.
“Fun” can only be had when one in unencumbered by the fears of losing one’s natural rights at the whims of others.
Just sayin’....
zuiko85
Veteran
Meh, no difference to me. Priced over my demographic or, way over my demographic, all the same.
Will cause used prices to rise though.
Will cause used prices to rise though.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
I'm in Australia, but I'm concerned that some genius might decide that Australian prices need to increase as well. Gotta get a Zeiss 35mm Distagon sooner rather than later.
The Zeiss Distagon ZF or ZF.2 for Nikon F mount? Are they made in Germany, or in Japan (Cosina) like the Zeiss ZM mount? If in Japan, I'm thinking they may not be affected.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
I was thinking of buying a Leica M10 in the near future, but I will not pay an extra 25%.
+1. Lately I've been thinking of selling a few items to pick up a used M10. But not if the price goes up!
james.liam
Well-known
The Zeiss Distagon ZF or ZF.2 for Nikon F mount? Are they made in Germany, or in Japan (Cosina) like the Zeiss ZM mount? If in Japan, I'm thinking they may not be affected.
The only Zeiss lens that continued to be manufactured in Germany was the non-RF coupled ZM 2,8/15, which I believe is now out of production.
+1. Lately I've been thinking of selling a few items to pick up a used M10. But not if the price goes up!
Pristine, used M10's all around and for good prices ever since the 10-MP knocked it off the Queen Bee pedestal. Go for it!
....if not only for a rebound in prices once the new stock becomes financially unobtanium.
benlees
Well-known
“Consumerism” is what brought you the wondrous devices and media we spend endless hours jabbering about here, not to mention the one you’re typing on to post your thoughts. Should not be used as a pejorative. Good neighborliness & respect for other like-minded nations begets “kindness”.
“Creativity” can only be nurtured where there’s regard for intellectual property and an unspoken expectation of proper reward for one’s efforts. All things corporatism, autocratism, socialism, marxism and crony capitalism are diametrically set against.
“Fun” can only be had when one in unencumbered by the fears of losing one’s natural rights at the whims of others.
Just sayin’....
Actually, a lot of consumer items were developed by publicly funded universities. Internet, touch screens, for example.
Creativity, happily, is just part of being human. No need for any kind of market for it to flourish.
semi-ambivalent
Little to say
I was thinking of buying a Leica M10 in the near future, but I will not pay an extra 25%.
The retail price will not go up 25% because Leica will lower the wholesale cost to offset some of the increase. In the 1980s the Mark soared against the US Dollar but the price of a Mercedes in the U.S. barely budged. MB was able to just eat a lot of the cost increase because their markup was so high to begin with.
This is how it works out when you've given away your country's production to other countries; America's biggest export product is now our consumption. That's valuable and the idea is to make other countries pay a higher price for that product, just like the price going up for any desirable product. Market demand. Companies can eat some or all of that increase or pass some or all of it on to their customers. Customers do have a say in this you know.
The issue here is talking Leica when the real problem was thousands of, for example, well-paying textile jobs in North Carolina, being sent to horrific sweatshops in China (then Malaysia, then Cambodia, then Viet Nam, always chasing lower costs), because Joe Blow wants to save $3.00 on a pair of $50.00 trousers. Other countries do this too and you'd admit it if you were being honest with yourself, but the US is big and "wealthy" so it's more visible with us. Things like German cameras made in Portugal, and whisky made in Scotland are marquee items so they make for good headlines in less than objective news rags.
It's what you get with Keynesian economics and it's sad that so many people in lots of countries just don't understand things unless they're really simple concepts. People could boycott those products but consumers everywhere are so spoiled they just can't say no. Brats. The higher prices are also a reflection of your ever more worthless currencies. Dollars, Euros, Francs. It doesn't matter which anymore. Every government wants their currency to be the cheapest because it helps their exports. Think about the logic of that...
"...and all the children are above average."
Dan
Let's Sway
Ever see how large Airbus is assembled? Instead of a single large plant, massive sections and components are transported by plane, train, barge and truck from all across Western Europe to Toulouse for final assembly. Very “green”. And heavily subsidized.
Actually, I have seen it (on PBS) and it was fascinating to watch the logistics of trucking an enormous section through little towns. Quite the performance, sometimes with literally only inches to spare!
raid
Dad Photographer
If you buy a Leica new in Germany and then return to the USA, will there be next a customs checking to pay the 25% tariff? Just a curious question ....
Dralowid
Michael
We used to hang newly bought duty free binoculars around our necks in full view when passing through customs...never failed.
james.liam
Well-known
Actually, I have seen it (on PBS) and it was fascinating to watch the logistics of trucking an enormous section through little towns. Quite the performance, sometimes with literally only inches to spare!
Indeed.
Though quite the costly and ridiculous logistical performance that doubles the cost and necessitates subsidies to keep unions quiet, and people employed.
Actually, a lot of consumer items were developed by publicly funded universities. Internet, touch screens, for example.
..and underwritten with monies generated by free-market economies.
Creativity, happily, is just part of being human. No need for any kind of market for it to flourish.
The market provides a platform for recognition and demand. Nothing survives or endures in a vacuum.
raid
Dad Photographer
Airbus planes will get built in Mobile (AL), and Pensacola may get some parts to make too.
raid
Dad Photographer
I just heard that the 25% tariff started yesterday.
This was also shown in what Stephen posted. October 18, 2019.
This was also shown in what Stephen posted. October 18, 2019.
The only Zeiss lens that continued to be manufactured in Germany was the non-RF coupled ZM 2,8/15, which I believe is now out of production.
could be wrong, but I think the tariff only applies to EU made lenses, not interchangeable lens cameras like the M10 - but maybe the Q series?
Aren't the Zeiss Cine lenses made in Germany?
Stephen
raid
Dad Photographer
I am asking an Ex Leica executive about it. maybe he has the answers.
eidted: He thinks it is Lenses and Cameras. I asked him specifically about the M10.
eidted: He thinks it is Lenses and Cameras. I asked him specifically about the M10.
raid
Dad Photographer
Not a problem; I just buy a very clean, used M10 from the US.
I am asking an Ex Leica executive about it. maybe he has the answers.
eidted: He thinks it is Lenses and Cameras. I asked him specifically about the M10.
I asked someone in Leica.
Included in the tariff are fixed lens cameras,
but NOT interchangeable lens cameras.
Stephen
raid
Dad Photographer
You have the definitive answer, Stephen! Now I have to decide between getting a new Leica M10 or a used one. Both options are open!
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