new Noctilux f/0,85 ?

[Ororaro]

Boy oh boy! If Leica comes out with a f0.95 lens I just can't imagine how the pro-Canon f1.2 folks will react. That's gonna be crazy!

Decidedly, the Noctilux is King. Moreso when people try to bash it... It just heightens it each and every time.

 

[gb hill]

Roger, I agree with the article completely and I'm not knocking the lux, I'm just having a hard time justifying $5500 for a lens.😱

 

[Roger Hicks]

Roger, I agree with the article completely and I'm not knocking the lux, I'm just having a hard time justifying $5500 for a lens.😱

No argument there! As I say, I own a Canon and I borrowed the Noctilux. My sole argument is that it's a bit like comparing a Triumph TR2 with an Aston Martin DB2. Both are fun, but if you want the performance, it has to be Aston Martin.

Cheers,

R.

 

[R2-D2]

Why not Noctiluxagorus: f0.3141592601913

Because the theoretical limit is f/0.5.

 

[vieri]

Because the theoretical limit is f/0.5.

Souldn't you know it already? Leica goes to the limit and beyond! 😀 Especially when pricing is concerned, of course... 🙄

 

[tomasis]

I heard it will cost $999 after rebates 🙂

 

[Krosya]

No argument there! As I say, I own a Canon and I borrowed the Noctilux. My sole argument is that it's a bit like comparing a Triumph TR2 with an Aston Martin DB2. Both are fun, but if you want the performance, it has to be Aston Martin.

Cheers,

R.

Oh geez. The only way I'd agree with that analogy is if you are talking about the price. I dont want to hurt anyone's feelings here, but so far, from what I have seen here on RFF, Canon 1.2 outperforms Noctilux on almost all cases.This is based on photos. Yes, those poor web photos, that it's impossible to judge on. And the same photos that are the only common denominator we have. The only ones I really think that outperformed Canon are shots by Ned. So, going back to that car analogy, maybe it's not the car, but a driver?
I do wonder if Ned used a Canon 1.2 for a year, what kind of results we would see.?

 

[Silva Lining]

All BOKEH, nothing sharp!

I've been taking shots like that for years 😀

 

[Keith]

Oh geez. The only way I'd agree with that analogy is if you are talking about the price. I dont want to hurt anyone's feelings here, but so far, from what I have seen here on RFF, Canon 1.2 outperforms Noctilux on almost all cases.This is based on photos. Yes, those poor web photos, that it's impossible to judge on. And the same photos that are the only common denominator we have. The only ones I really think that outperformed Canon are shots by Ned. So, going back to that car analogy, maybe it's not the car, but a driver?
I do wonder if Ned used a Canon 1.2 for a year, what kind of results we would see.?

Ned does live inside that Noctilux and I agree that his work with it certainly stands out above what else I've seen from the lens. He makes it talk ... we should confiscate it and give him a Canon 1.2 to work with for a year and see what he can do with that. 😛

 

[Ororaro]

Ned does live inside that Noctilux and I agree that his work with it certainly stands out above what else I've seen from the lens. He makes it talk ... we should confiscate it and give him a Canon 1.2 to work with for a year and see what he can do with that. 😛

Thanks for your kind words, Keith. I have to agree that never mind which lens, my style wouldn't change (same for all of us). But in all honesty, if the Noctilux wasn't that impressive from the moment I tried it, I probably would have sold it long ago (remember, I bought it when there was no hype around it and keeping it was based on its performance alone).

The Noctilux outshines the Noct-Nikkor, one of my (D)SLR workhorse lens for weddings and such applications... and I love the Noct-Nikkor. But the Noctilux is just above it. Not as romantic but definitely more character. I wouldn't say no to a Canon f1.2 but I have to admit the 60 1.2 Hexanon is tempting me a lot.

 

[Abbazz]

All BOKEH, nothing sharp!

Hmm, there might just be a market for that. 😉

I suppose you all know this great book by Davis Armstrong (I own it, it's really wonderful):
http://www.photoeye.com/BookteaseLight/bookteaselight.cfm?catalog=PK800&image=1

Cheers!

Abbazz

 

[CSB 5858]

50/1 Time to get used to SECOND BEST

50/1 Time to get used to SECOND BEST

The wonderful thing about the new .95 Noctilux is the sweet revenge it will deliver upon 50/1 Noctilux owners, who will suddenly have to get used to the idea their old expensive outdated 50/1 wonder lens as only THE SECOND BEST FAST 50! What a choice they will have: put up the $10,000 US or so to keep their bragging rights, or save their money and be content with the lowly second best fast 50. I'm thinking the new .95 will also mean a lot of 50/1's coming up on the used market, welcomed by a lower market value due to the increased number of 50/1's in the used market.

Alex

 

[pfoto]

@CSB 5858: I don't think so. It has nothing to do with bragging rights, and everything to do with the way the Noctilux draws the image. If Leica does make a "new" Noctilux it will likely as not be a highly corrected lens that has none of the aberrations of the current Noctilux. So in effect it will be an f0.95 version of the current 50/1.4 ASPH. What's the point of that? You could just buy faster film.

 

[Ororaro]

The wonderful thing about the new .95 Noctilux is the sweet revenge it will deliver upon 50/1 Noctilux owners, who will suddenly have to get used to the idea their old expensive outdated 50/1 wonder lens as only THE SECOND BEST FAST 50! What a choice they will have: put up the $10,000 US or so to keep their bragging rights, or save their money and be content with the lowly second best fast 50. I'm thinking the new .95 will also mean a lot of 50/1's coming up on the used market, welcomed by a lower market value due to the increased number of 50/1's in the used market.

Alex

Only a mentally ill person can possibly believe what you wrote.

Quiz questions for you:

-How many F-stops difference are there between 0.95 and f1?
-When is the new 0.95 due?
-How much will it cost?
-Will it be an acceptable lens for shooting landscapes?
-What is the effective DOF if shot wide open at infinity and how does it compare to the Second-best Noctilux f1?

 

[antiquark]

Maybe the noct replacement (if there is one) will be the 25mm Noctilux D for the Four-Thirds digital standard.

It will be massive though, check out the Summilux-D compared to a regular Summilux:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/minami/509320258/

 

[Tonaility]

It is true

It is true

I heard also that Leica will be bringing out a 50mm f0.95, also a fast 28mm f1.4 and also a 15/16mm. Very reliable source. Apparently nothing for the R series.

 

[Ororaro]

I heard also that Leica will be bringing out a 50mm f0.95, also a fast 28mm f1.4 and also a 15/16mm. Very reliable source. Apparently nothing for the R series.

Altough some clown qualified this new elusive Noctilux as a "sweet revenge" aimed against its own customers, I will be quite glad to see these lenses become available and true. The 28 1.4 and the new Noctilux will be quite tempting.

 

[Riccis]

I heard also that Leica will be bringing out a 50mm f0.95, also a fast 28mm f1.4 and also a 15/16mm. Very reliable source. Apparently nothing for the R series.

The thing that surprises me the most is how well in advance of Photokina are the rumors starting to circulate... 😉

 

[maddoc]

The only ones I really think that outperformed Canon are shots by Ned. So, going back to that car analogy, maybe it's not the car, but a driver?
I do wonder if Ned used a Canon 1.2 for a year, what kind of results we would see.?

Of course it is the driver ... 😉 In Ned's case it is talent and ability to "see" plus a lot of experience, IMHO. The Noctilux needs practise, practise, and practise to get outstanding results because of its special character.
IF Leica releases a new 50/0.95 and it has a signature comparable to the current 50 ASPH ... not very tempting having only shallower DoF ...

 

[CSB 5858]

Altough some clown qualified this new elusive Noctilux as a "sweet revenge" aimed against its own customers, I will be quite glad to see these lenses become available and true. The 28 1.4 and the new Noctilux will be quite tempting.

It's funny how you totally fail to get the picture while posturing how much you know.

The revenge is Karma revenge for braggarts like yourself who are so insecure they feel the need to lord it over others who don't own a Noctilux in order to feel good about themselves. Now Mr. Hotshot Noctilux guy, you are being put in the position of owning the soon to be 2nd best high speed 50 by Leica itself. What could be sweeter Karma revenge than that?

Whether the new Noctilux is better than the old or not, it will be marketed as better, because Leica has to say that in order to justify the price increase. Besides, the Noctilux is a very old optical design. With new technology, it should not be hard for them to make a better lens.

Crash and burn? Yes, you did. But I doubt if you were aware enough to realize it.

Alex