New Zeiss SLR List Prices

That's pnut or peanut. :)

But the folks here are much nicer and the moderating is professional. Plus there's almost no personal attacks.
 
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This is true; personal attacks are not there, but don't expect to receive only praises either. Some people here are very honest when it comes to offering criticism.
 
Frank Granovski said:
That's pnut or peanut. :)

But the folks here are much nicer and the moderating is professional. Plus there's almost no personal attacks.

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Frank is correct.
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Nikon F

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jlw said:
Hmmm, almost makes me wish I hadn't sold my plain-prism Nikon F to another RFFer! (Note that I did say "almost" -- shooting with an SLR still makes me feel icky, no matter whose glass is on it!)

And that member will be forever grateful.
 
Taiwan_metro, yet again you contradict yourself. You complain that Zeiss doesnt make lenses in its own land and then claim you already know Nikon does the same?

"they do higher priced gears, that's why there is no Nikonet GIII 17" And what about the three Nikkorex models made by Chinon for Nikon at that time? Dont presume to lecture when you havent even got your facts correct.

Copakeham, you claim that Cosina bought the Zeiss logo to put on lenses? You and Taiwan_metro should get together as study partners to do some accurate research for a change.

You both should be reminded that the Nippon Kogaku KK was formed in 1917 starting with some 200 employees and 8 "German" optical engineers. The first cameras copied the German Contax mount and the Leica shutter design, and many of their famous rangeinder lenses like the 50mm f1.4 and 85f2 were also copies of Zeiss designs. You both seem to take it as a personal afront that Zeiss is offering lenses in F mount, when you should take it as a compliment that Zeiss recognises the strength of Nikons MF bodies. At last count I had 8 or so Nikon cameras and 15 Nikon lenses, but I dont believe that any one lens manufacturer makes the best lens in every focal length. Every lens maker has a lens of a particular focal legth that could be considered best in its class, sometimes it was Nikon, sometimes Olympus sometimes Zeiss, sometimes Leica. Personally in SLR lenses I find Nikon a bit weak in the 35mm focal length and the 50mm f1.4 AI bettered by a few different maufacturers. In fact its the old 50mm f2 thats their best 50 but few ever consider that lens. The Zeiss 50mm f1.4 and 21mm Biogons were considered best in their class. To deny that in some circumstances that Zeiss can surpass Nikon in some focal lengths is to bury your heads in Nikon sand.
 
Palaeoboy said:
Taiwan_metro, yet again you contradict yourself. You complain that Zeiss doesnt make lenses in its own land and then claim you already know Nikon does the same?

"they do higher priced gears, that's why there is no Nikonet GIII 17" And what about the three Nikkorex models made by Chinon for Nikon at that time? Dont presume to lecture when you havent even got your facts correct.

Copakeham, you claim that Cosina bought the Zeiss logo to put on lenses? You and Taiwan_metro should get together as study partners to do some accurate research for a change.

You both should be reminded that the Nippon Kogaku KK was formed in 1917 starting with some 200 employees and 8 "German" optical engineers. The first cameras copied the German Contax mount and the Leica shutter design, and many of their famous rangeinder lenses like the 50mm f1.4 and 85f2 were also copies of Zeiss designs. You both seem to take it as a personal afront that Zeiss is offering lenses in F mount, when you should take it as a compliment that Zeiss recognises the strength of Nikons MF bodies. At last count I had 8 or so Nikon cameras and 15 Nikon lenses, but I dont believe that any one lens manufacturer makes the best lens in every focal length. Every lens maker has a lens of a particular focal legth that could be considered best in its class, sometimes it was Nikon, sometimes Olympus sometimes Zeiss, sometimes Leica. Personally in SLR lenses I find Nikon a bit weak in the 35mm focal length and the 50mm f1.4 AI bettered by a few different maufacturers. In fact its the old 50mm f2 thats their best 50 but few ever consider that lens. The Zeiss 50mm f1.4 and 21mm Biogons were considered best in their class. To deny that in some circumstances that Zeiss can surpass Nikon in some focal lengths is to bury your heads in Nikon sand.

Well said. :cool:
 
Palaeoboy said:
"they do higher priced gears, that's why there is no Nikonet GIII 17" And what about the three Nikkorex models made by Chinon for Nikon at that time? Dont presume to lecture when you havent even got your facts correct.

Copakeham, you claim that Cosina bought the Zeiss logo to put on lenses? You and Taiwan_metro should get together as study partners to do some accurate research for a change.

Two small things: first, it was Mamiya who made the Nikkorex bodies.

Second, Joel is too much of an optimist. ;)
 
Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm

"why there is no Nikonet GIII 17, their Nikonmat, F series beats the sh-- out of Canon's FT, FTb even the F-1, NO pro used Canon".


As a general rule I don't post in threads that are getting a bit hot under the collar; in fact I don't post that much at all ;) I do however feel the urge to reply to this statement. Firstly Photography is a very broad church so I'm sure that most major brands (and some obscure ones) could claim at least some kind of pro following. Secondly (and more importantly) the Canon F-1 was very popular with certain sections of the press; mostly sports photographers. This was mostly because the Canon long-tele's were percieved to be better than the Nikkors of the time.
Thirdly the whole Canon v Nikon argument seems to be a little irrelevant to the discussion in this thread. Personally I'm sure that the ZF lenses will be of excellent quality in the same way that the ZM ones were. The one thing that I don't understand though is what's happened to the Zeiss factory in Japan where the C/Y mount (and I think the G mount) lenses were made. It seems odd that Zeiss would sub-contract the work to Cosina (no matter how good they are) when they have their own factory (with the same labour costs) already tooled up to make the lenses.
By the way in response to an earlier comment Minolta also make some of their own optical glass (or at least used to until recently) and Canon make their own Fluorite (and strangely sell small amounts of it to Nikon, Zeiss, Leica and Olympus for use in microscope objectives).
 
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Sadimmock said:
By the way in response to an earlier comment Minolta also make some of their own optical glass (or at least used to until recently) and Canon make their own Fluorite (and strangely sell small amounts of it to Nikon, Zeiss, Leica and Olympus for use in microscope objectives).

Minota's out of business since being bought up by Konica a year or so ago & Konica is now out of the camera business. If Konica is using Minolta's glass making capabilities, it's not to make consumer camera lenses.
 
Huck Finn said:
Minota's out of business since being bought up by Konica a year or so ago & Konica is now out of the camera business. If Konica is using Minolta's glass making capabilities, it's not to make consumer camera lenses.


Good point :eek:
 
it was Mamiya who made the Nikkorex bodies

Yes! Thats who it was. I had a Nikkorex F once that took F mount lenses in my collection, it was quite poor build quality too. The other 2 models one had a fixed lens the other took that 36-72 Zoom that Nikon put out. The Canon Q's were far better made.

Huck, Minolta isnt dead its just been bought by Sony. Like Ericsson phones we may well see Sony Minolta. Sony buys these companies to make additions to its product line not to close the company down. Minoltas "in body" image stabilization technology is highly sought after. Sony hasnt a digi SLR line with a proven Mount. Minolta does. Sony with its sensor technology and Minoltas SLR camera technology may combine to challenge Canon and Nikon in the Digi SLR Market. This could be a good thing not bad. Maybe I then can hold on to my dream for a CLE2 CLE(D). Oh your right Mazurka, I am too much of an optimist. But we all need our dreams dont we?
 
Palaeoboy said:
Huck, Minolta isnt dead its just been bought by Sony.

Wow, things change fast! When did Sony buy Minolta? It was only a year ago that a friend of mine who worked for Konica was transferred because Konica was consolidating after merging with Minolta after a buy-out. This led my friend to quit Konica after a few months & return home to a new job because the old Minolta people wanted to keep doing things the old Minolta wasy that hadn't worked & his superiors at Konica wouldn't bring the Minolta people in line. Then we read recently that Konica-Minolta was getting out of the camera business. So, is that when Konica sold off Minolta to Sony?

Whew, I just can't keep up with all of these changes. :eek:

Huck
 
Sadimmock said:
The one thing that I don't understand though is what's happened to the Zeiss factory in Japan where the C/Y mount (and I think the G mount) lenses were made. It seems odd that Zeiss would sub-contract the work to Cosina (no matter how good they are) when they have their own factory (with the same labour costs) already tooled up to make the lenses.
That was the Tomioka plant that made Tominon lenses for Polaroid among others and even made a Cosina-branded lens... If I follow the history correctly, this lens plant was purchased by Yashica to expand their production capacity, and then Yashica made the move upmarket by licensing the Contax name and arranged in cooperation with Zeiss to manufacture Carl Zeiss lenses in that old Tomioka facility. Then Yashica got swallowed up by Kyocera, and things seemingly remained ok until Kyocera decided they were behind the technology curve on digital and decided to get out of the camera business last year. So the Kyocera/Zeiss lens plant at Tomioka closed down. The mystery to me is that Tomioka wasn't purchased by Cosina for their expanding lens production needs!
 
Doug said:
That was the Tomioka plant that made Tominon lenses for Polaroid among others and even made a Cosina-branded lens... If I follow the history correctly, this lens plant was purchased by Yashica to expand their production capacity, and then Yashica made the move upmarket by licensing the Contax name and arranged in cooperation with Zeiss to manufacture Carl Zeiss lenses in that old Tomioka facility. Then Yashica got swallowed up by Kyocera, and things seemingly remained ok until Kyocera decided they were behind the technology curve on digital and decided to get out of the camera business last year. So the Kyocera/Zeiss lens plant at Tomioka closed down. The mystery to me is that Tomioka wasn't purchased by Cosina for their expanding lens production needs!

As a company, Tomioka is long gone. The lens plant was all that was left.

I guess the plant itself was co-owned by Zeiss and Kyocera. Kyocera has yet to relinquish (evidently exclusive) rights to the Contax name. It would not be surprising if they also refused to sell off their share of the lens plant.
 
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Why is everyone going away from Zeiss!

Why is everyone going away from Zeiss!

Check out their Zeiss Ikon website, where they state that they have more new lens ideas than there are camera platforms available.

More to the point, Carl Zeiss' traditional camera partners have recently either gone belly-up or are shifting away from Zeiss...

1. Kyocera pulled the plug on Contax killing 4 Carl Zeiss lens lines in 1 stroke, Contax RTS manual focus 35mm SLR lenses, Contax N AF 35mm SLR lenses, Contax G 35mm RangeFinder lenses, and Contax 645 MF-AF lenses. That's a hugh hit to Carl Zeiss.

2. Hasselblad currently seems more keen on pushing the Fuji/Fujinon derived H system cameras & lenses, at the expense of their more traditional V system using CZ lenses.

3. Rollei 6008 system started with CZ lenses, but subsequently began to offer Schneider lenses as well, also eroding sales of Rollei/Zeiss MF lenses.

4. Alpa switched from the Biogon 38mm lens to a Apo-Helvitar 48mm lens made for them by Schneider.

The last decade had not been too good for Carl Zeiss stills camera lens production... So it would be only logical for Carl Zeiss to look towards the creation of a premium niche lens line for the millions of Nikon F mount cameras in use.
 
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