NEX-7 Zeiss Full Size Samples

I am impressed!!!! This is for real!!!

I am impressed!!!! This is for real!!!

bwcolor:

Well, I saw the NEX 7 photo in the photographers hand with the strobe studio package. The logic is inescapable that this sample is indeed a NEX 7 sample.

I will say it again, I am blown away!!!!

My M8 files are great but this camera is capable of more resolution and detail. For $1,199, this cannot be beat! It is early but all of this looks extremely promising!
 
Sony should post performance proofs

Sony should post performance proofs

I really wish Sony would post performance proofs from the NEX 7 just as Leica did with the M8 and M9.
 
The problem with equaling the Contax G system is that the lenses were made specifically for the camera body. We need digital bodies made specifically for either Contax G lenses and new Zeiss lenses, or just new Zeiss lenses (probably more viable). Zeiss can do it... but the R&D would probably need to be a partnership since as we know Zeiss will be like "er well if you do it our way the lens will not be too big, but if we have to adapt to your way then the lens will be 85% what it could be and as big as a can of soup." I am fine with large lenses actually... Compared to a 5DII with a 24-70mm 2.8 IS lens... anything will be small.
 
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Field said:
The problem with equaling the Contax G system is that the lenses were made specifically for the camera body. We need digital bodies made specifically for either Contax G lenses and new Zeiss lenses, or just new Zeiss lenses (probably more viable). Zeiss can do it... but the R&D would probably need to be a partnership since as we know Zeiss will be like "er well if you do it our way the lens will not be too big, but if we have to adapt to your way then the lens will be 85% what it could be and as big as a can of soup." I am fine with large lenses actually... Compared to a 5DII with a 24-70mm 2.8 IS lens... anything will be small.
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This is as close as we're going to get though, I think. Although I have to remind myself that Fuji does have some kind of interchangeable X camera in the works... What that is I guess we'll have to wait. But my X100 is SO GOOD that it's worth the wait. It could be a 3rd times the charm type situation if it's APS-C, and within the price range of the NEX-7/X100. I love the way my Fuji processes color. You can even see it in the RAW files. Sony does a nice job, but there's something wonderful about the Fuji files.

Also, I HAVE a Contax G1, and the 28, 45, and 90. It'll be great to get a system I can adapt those lenses to, just for fun. I'm not big on adapters normally.
 
leicashot said:
While from no user experience you think they are a joke, the 35mm f/2 is THE BEST 35mm f/2 lens ever made for 35mm format, and the new 35/1.4 is incredible in it's own right.

Don't be so quick to judge without experience
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If you reread my post, you will find that I've not said anything (negative or positive) about the image quality of Zeiss lenses. You will also find from my previous posts, that I never state anything just based on Internet sources. I'd rather don't comment or then reference a source.

What I do find a joke is having such a camera with lenses totally out of proportion. While I haven't used the 1.4/35, I will certainly never buy one alone for size reasons. I would have considered the 2/35, if it would have been smaller. Chaqun son truc.

And finally, I still believe the Nexus line requires some neat compact native prime lenses.

Regards
Ivo
 
Photon42 said:
I would have considered the 2/35, if it would have been smaller. Chaqun son truc.
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Actually the 35mm f2 distagon isn't that big. I'm not sure if you've ever seen one in real life but it's a lot smaller than the other high quality alternatives, the two canon/nikon f1.4 35mm's. It sits really nicely on a full frame DSLR like the d700 or 5d.
The canon/nikon 35mm f2's are smaller again, but nowhere near as good optically.
 
They just keep moving the Holy Grail, don't they? 🙂

Image quality seems fine, but fortunately for my pocket book, these camera bodies are just too small for me, regardless of outsize lenses. Canon L glass is good enough for me and fits on bodies I can actually hold without pushing the wrong buttons.
 
fdigital said:
Actually the 35mm f2 distagon isn't that big. I'm not sure if you've ever seen one in real life but it's a lot smaller than the other high quality alternatives, the two canon/nikon f1.4 35mm's. It sits really nicely on a full frame DSLR like the d700 or 5d.
The canon/nikon 35mm f2's are smaller again, but nowhere near as good optically.
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Yes - I saw one in real life. And I still feel it is large, but then I use a rather small body with it (FE2). The CV 2/40 is quite a bit smaller, for example. I just have the impression that Zeiss just don't care all so much about size. And the Nex camera line would definitely benefit from compactness.

Cheers
Ivo
 
Photon42 said:
Yes - I saw one in real life. And I still feel it is large, but then I use a rather small body with it (FE2). The CV 2/40 is quite a bit smaller, for example. I just have the impression that Zeiss just don't care all so much about size. And the Nex camera line would definitely benefit from compactness.

Cheers
Ivo
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Sony is introducing a 50mm OIS f/1.8 and it is larger than the Zeiss. There is one set of samples floating around and it looks like a very capable lens. That would make two or the bunch.

The Zeiss lens is large because it is a fast lens which covers a large sensor area. Can a smaller, less capable lens be made? Sure, but I think that the Zeiss lens was a counter to all the poor quality lenses presently available for the NEX system, which was initially marketed as a cheap APS-C system. Price was certainly the objective with their present lens lineup. We have yet to see if the Zeiss delivers.

You need to use a smaller sensor camera, non-autofocus lens, slower lens, or optically inferior lens in order to shrink a lens. You can't do it with magic, or wishful thinking.
 
bwcolor said:
[...] You can't do it with magic, or wishful thinking
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Magic would sure help 😀 It is more a question of strategy or overall objectives, if you like. If there are no real design constraints regarding size, you don't care. If engineers are to build an engine without consumption restrictions, guess what happens. And guess what they will tell you if you turn around and say, ha - that uses far too much petrol 😱

Not all lenses have to be Noctiluxes. Having a 2.5/24 is certainly acceptable, I'd say. Compare the size of a Nokton 1.2/35 with that of a Biogon 2/35. Both are HQ lenses (and in case you ask: I know them 😉 ).

Cheers
Ivo
 
I don't have a Noctilux. I do have the f/2.0 and 2.8 Compact Biogons and I prefer the smaller size of the F/2.8 for most of what I shoot. I also like smaller lenses. So, that is what I will use on the NEX-7. No autofocus and slow equals relatively small. I think that we are eventually going to replace most functions of the DSLR with the mirrrorless designs. That said, slightly smaller lenses and they are certainly smaller than my Canon 'L' glass, is a reasonable expectation. The NEX Zeiss lens is smaller and lighter than my Canon 35mm f/1.4L. Their upcoming 50mm F/1.8 OIS seems to follow once again along the lines of another fast, large lens. So, for their own reasons, Sony seems to be pushing large aperture fixed focal length lenses for their higher quality product. I suspect that Zeiss was just producing a lens to spec.
 
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5n just a temp while waiting for the 7?

28 is what I use on my nex-3. 42 equiv is great general lens. I got used to the 40 perspective when I was using the CL... Mine is canon 28f2.8. Very compact lens.

Gary
 
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