Night Shoot - am I forgetting anything?

I'd take more 3200 and TriX 5rolls of each maybe so you can complete the shoot on one type of film if necessary, Some stickers to number the film and a notepad and pen in case you find yourself pushing film halfway through the shoot and need to make notes. Also spare batteries for flash / meters
 
Yes, a small flashlight would be useful. What's wrong with using color film and desaturating it to grayscale later? There might be some candlelight settings to shoot.

R.J.
 
oftheherd said:
I agree the incident portion of your meter will probably be your best friend.

I think one of your problems will be the lighting. Nobody knows yet, but I am going to bet there is a bevy of large floods if you are lucky, or halogens if you are not. Nobody who sets those up is going to know anything about photographic lighting, and even if they do, how will they know where any particular cameras or models will be.

I would bring some color but wouldn't plan on using it until I was sure of the lighing. I would bring some slower b/w since the lighting may (probably will) be very bright and harsh on most subjects. Also, it will probably lend itself better to flash for fill use. If you have any diffusors for you flash bring them, or some thin white hankerchiefs if not (or both). Do plan on looking for unusual/unplanned interaction between the models, especially after they think it is all over.

Put your first priority on having fun, and make sure your wife is having fun too.

Good luck and let us see some of your results. Sounds like a fun shoot.

Good advice! But my wife has abandoned me. At this moment, she is sitting on a plane enroute to Albuquerque, from thence to Taos for a 'stitching weekend' with her buddies from our days in NM. I am alone, all alone, in the world until Monday.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Toby said:
I'd take more 3200 and TriX 5rolls of each maybe so you can complete the shoot on one type of film if necessary, Some stickers to number the film and a notepad and pen in case you find yourself pushing film halfway through the shoot and need to make notes. Also spare batteries for flash / meters

I have 4 rolls of Tri-X 400 / 24, which I can shoot at any speed between 400 and 3200 and get some kind of results. Good idea about marking them, though!

I also have 3 rolls of Delta 3200 / 36 and two rolls of Fuji Neopan 100 SS / 36. I have no way to get more - I am in the boondocks and must mailorder my film besides basic consumer C41.

And I have spare batteries for everything but the meter. And the battery in that is fresh, so it should be ok.

Thanks!

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
RJBender said:
Yes, a small flashlight would be useful. What's wrong with using color film and desaturating it to grayscale later? There might be some candlelight settings to shoot.

R.J.

I have the DSLR which I can shoot at any ISO up to 3200 and get color results, so I thought I'd keep the film cameras with B&W. I have/can desaturate color film, but it never looks 'just like B&W' to my eyes.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
bmattock said:
Tupperware is my friend. My wife hates me for taking all her Tupperware, though. I have lots of cameras that are 'some assembly required'. I'm a clutz.

We have the urban equivalent of tupperware - Chinese soup and food containers saved from food deliveries!
 
RJBender said:
Yes, a small flashlight would be useful. What's wrong with using color film and desaturating it to grayscale later? There might be some candlelight settings to shoot.

R.J.


Color film does not resolve the image in quite the same (tonality) way as b/w does, and if you want the best b/w, you should shoot b/w film. Also the grain of color film is different, and may not be to your liking, when desaturated to b/w in Photoshop.
Of course grain is not an issue with medium-format or larger, but you are shooting primarily 35mm films. For me, at least, grain defines a type of image I like.
 
bmattock said:
I have the DSLR which I can shoot at any ISO up to 3200 and get color results, so I thought I'd keep the film cameras with B&W. I have/can desaturate color film, but it never looks 'just like B&W' to my eyes.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks


Bill, isn't noise a problem with the DSLR when you're using high ISO settings?
I thought color film would be good for candelight shots. You could scan, color balance or desaturate if you wanted to.

As Phototone pointed out, it's not the same grain and the desaturated image doesn't look as a good as a B&W film image.

R.J.
 
bmattock said:
I have the DSLR which I can shoot at any ISO up to 3200 and get color results, so I thought I'd keep the film cameras with B&W. I have/can desaturate color film, but it never looks 'just like B&W' to my eyes.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

That's what I do. DSLR on a shoulder strap, RF on a wrist strap with b&w. All the colour shots are on the DSLR. I would suggest maybe just dropping the TLR, and bringing your 50/1.4 SMC Super Tak along instead.
 
Well, I just got back from the photo shoot. It was a lot of fun, and I really appreciate the advice I got from all of you who responded.

I am including some photos I took with my Pentax *ist DS, but I'll tell you the truth - although I love my DSLR, these photos were terrible. I was really displeased with them. I don't know why - I used the DSLR all over Gettysburg two weeks and go and it did great service.

I ended up taking with me, besides the DSLR, my Bessa R, Bessaflex TM, Canon T60, and some lenses and film.

The local fire department showed up and closed the street down, then fired up a generator and put some kliegs on the scene. Not very 'white' light, but bright. The local Arts Council fellow brought some 'real' 5700 K continuous lights with softboxes, but I thought soft boxes were supposed to be much closer to the subjects. In any case, I was able to meter and shoot Tri-X at EI 400, so no pushing required.

I used the Canon T60 with an ancient Canon FL 55mm f1.2 - shot mostly wide-open, sometimes stopping down to f2.8. I expect it to be very soft, but that should benefit skin, I think, and lots of bokeh. I also used a home-made Canon FD mount Schneider Xenotar 80mm f2.8 LF lens that I like as a portrait lens on 35mm. I used my Bessaflex TM with a Pentax SMC 50mm f1.4 - shot wide-open and then stopped down as much as 5.6 depending on the lighting conditions. I did shoot one roll of Kodak Gold 200 (I actually screwed up and shot it at EI 400) and four rolls of Tri-X.

I will drop off the Gold 200 tomorrow and try to scan the results, but they may not be much. I think I'm going to get some good results from the Tri-X, but it will have to wait until Sunday before I can soup it up. D-76?

Well, that's it. I never shot the Bessa R, sorry guys! I don't know why, it just stayed in my bag. And so did the DSLR, after the first few shots were so nasty, even on the tiny LCD. Sorry that's all I have to share with you now.

About 30 photographers showed up, about 10 from my photography club. Most everyone was shooting huge DSLR's with monster lenses. A few Nikon film SLRS. Some compact film and digital point-n-shoots. One cell phone camera. And a guy with a digital point-n-shoot that turned everything into an Andy Warhol-type image, which he greatly preferred to reality. One other person was shooting B&W film, she was also using Tri-X 400, but in an SLR with TTL Flash. One person shooting Fuji 1600 color print film, I believe. She was the most creative of all of us, actually, she went up the models and asked them to pose this way and that, set up her shots and took them - most everyone else formed a big semi-circle around the models and just hammered away, some never even went to new positions. I tried to be creative, we'll see when I get the B&W souped and scanned.

Anyway, thanks for reading this, thanks for the advice. In the end, I would have been just as happy with a single SLR and fast prime lens, no flash. But who knew? I'd never done this before.

Oh, and everybody used my ladder - it was a good idea after all.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
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Looks like fun, Bill, and thanks for sharing the prelims. Looking forward to seeing the B&W work.

P.S. Completely off-topic, but this is my 800th post! Seems like only yesterday I joined...
 
Well, those shots don't look that bad imho. Sure looking forward to the film shots. Sounds like you and the others had a nice time. Did you have any chance to use flash? Looks like the lighting was not what you would have wished.
 
bmattock said:
...I am including some photos I took with my Pentax *ist DS, but I'll tell you the truth - although I love my DSLR, these photos were terrible. I was really displeased with them. I don't know why - I used the DSLR all over Gettysburg two weeks and go and it did great service...

More noise at higher ISO settings especially in the red channel:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistd/page13.asp

R.J.
 
Bill: At the risk of causing more domestic um, er, "disagreement", (and turning this thread OT), track down some Lock and Lock containers. Use them for your camera gear (and pieces thereof), and give the Tupperware back to your wife.

Now, you may ask "Why would this cause domestic strife if I return the Tupperware to my wife?" And you'd be right to ask ... until you see the Lock and Lock! This stuff kicks Tupperware's ass around the block and then backwards around again. The lids include a silicon strip that provides an air and water tight seal, and they snap into place with four hinged closures, providing a secure seal.

Trust me on this, you'll never want Tupperware again. But that's the problem ... neither will your wife. My wife collects the stuff, and I just feed off the excess. She doesn't keep track, thank God.

Trius
 
RJBender said:
More noise at higher ISO settings especially in the red channel:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistd/page13.asp

R.J.

I agree, but I actually shot the DSLR at ISO 400 last night. Sigh - it just was not the tool I wanted at that particular time, I guess. As soon as I had a roll of Tri-X in a vintage SLR, I felt fine. Prolly should have unlimbered the Bessa R.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Hi Bill as usual the reality is much different. I had an image in my mind of people in formal wear ie black tuxes and ties, white shirts; women in black dresses and pearls ... that sort of image. This is packed with colour. Funny how the brain regularly interprets information incorrectly.

I think I would have primarily shot colour on this one looking at the models and backed up with some BW. Too late now.

you have some nice shots there
 
jan normandale said:
Hi Bill as usual the reality is much different. I had an image in my mind of people in formal wear ie black tuxes and ties, white shirts; women in black dresses and pearls ... that sort of image. This is packed with colour. Funny how the brain regularly interprets information incorrectly.

I think I would have primarily shot colour on this one looking at the models and backed up with some BW. Too late now.

you have some nice shots there

I agree, and had I had different information, I might have brought more color film, but actually, with the big klieg lights that the Fire Department set up, the white balance was all wonky anyway. The shots I've included came out ok because my flash overpowered the ambient lighting and I was able to white-balance in The Gimp afterwards.

But I'm ok with having shot B&W, I think I was trying for a mood more than the excitement that the color conveys.

We'll have to see what the Tri-X has on it!

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Got to agree with the Lock&Lock. Absolutely impregnable to anything known to man. The now definct tupperware is still in the fridge, full of the results of my panic-buying Ilford film when it all looked a bit uncertain a while ago...

As a thought for future shoots, Bill, try pulling your Delta 3200 to ISO1600 (if you've the light). When shooting high-contrast indoor stuff (I've done quite a few mate's weddings) I find that pulling it a stop or two helps massively with recording that contrast. No idea of why.

Hope it all comes out well!

Jamie
 
OK, got the roll of color film back. A couple problems. First, my Canon T60 has a Copal Square shutter. I've always preferred those, never had a problem before now. Ta-da! I have a problem with this one, it does not open the last slat. That means half my film is probably trash. I shot the other half of my B&W with a Bessaflex TM (which also has a Copal Square shutter, but much newer), so that should be worthwhile anyway.

Second problem is the lab scratched my negs again. Sigh. I thought I had 'em trained.

Anyway, here is first salvageable shot (I think) taken with Fuji Superia XTRA 400 (Not Kodak Gold 200 as I had reported last night). I ended up desaturating this one to B&W, I thought it looked better that way.

Lens was my homemade Schneider Xenotar 80mm at f2.8.

Let me know what you think?

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
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