Nikon announces full-frame mirrorless camera

[xayraa33]

One of the problems I've had with several mirrorless cameras I've tested have been ergonomics. So far no mirrorless camera has fully convinced me in that regard.
DSLRs and SLRs do fit much better for me ergonomically.
The best camera in that regard is the Nikon F6. It is even better than the later DSLRs D3, D4, D5 and the D750, D800/810/850. The reason is that because of the large screen of the DSLRs on the back some buttons cannot be placed at the optimal points for the fingers. The rear LCD needs too much space.

This problem seems to be even more given with the new Z6 and Z7 cameras (first pictures have been already leaked): Because of the smaller dimensions there is even less place to place the buttons. And lots of the rear buttons are now placed on the right side very close to the right hand which is normally the "main holding hand" (at least for right-handers). Could lead to potential errors by pressing the too closely placed buttons unintendedly by the right hand.

Cheers, Jan

Yes, it does look like a buttonfest on that Z7 FF Mirror-less camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAKJr5xqMME&t=384s

 

[gavinlg]

Nikon got rid of the dedicated compensation dial with the N8008 in 1988. Amazing to learn they no longer qualify as a camera company since then...

Dogmatic thinking shouldn't apply to a new product line - especially since the n8008 wasn't exactly an ergonomic wonder to begin with. The z6/7 only have the front command dial and an unmarked top command dial - no rear command dial like the Sony's and fujis. If they had included a rear command dial you would have a direct interface for most of the main exposure adjustments. How much do you want to bet they add another control dial for their coming pro models later down the track?

 

[shawn]

IBIS for medium format would be a delight after all of those slow-ish lenses and comparatively noisy-ish sensors.

It's also important for video, which a lot of people hope this mirrorless camera will be good at.

It has IBIS. 5 axis and claims 5 stops of benefit.

Shawn

 

[Larry Cloetta]

I am trying to watch the announcement streaming on the Nikon site right now, but it won’t load. There is a Nikon yellow banner at the bottom of the page saying it won’t be viewable “on certain devices or browsers”. Mine is an iPad with Safari, didn’t think that would be too unusual. Not sure if problem is the device, or their server is overloaded. Looks interesting, but I guess I won’t be watching it.

 

[Taipei-metro]

streaming; NOW

https://youtu.be/ZV5yrQNqLw4

 

[shawn]

Lots of information in the presentation.

Upcoming lens roadmap attached. FTZ adapter claimed to be compatible with about 360 lenses. From briefly showing the adapter it doesn't look like it will AF with screw drive lenses.

Z7 end of September. 440,000 yen (including tax) ($4000ish)
Z6 end of November. 270,000 yen. (including tax) ($2400ish)
24-70 f4s end of Sept. 136,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($1230ish)
35 1.8 end of Sept. 114,000 (excluding tax) ($1028ish)
50mm 1.8 s end of October 83,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($753ish)
FTZ adapter end of Sept. 36,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($329ish)
(Based on Japanese market)


Shawn

 

[farlymac]

Just finished watching the presentation. From what I saw of the examples, it should work out okay. Now lets see if Nikon can deliver the product without a slew of bugs.


PF

 

[jarski]

Nice new cameras, my initial impression is positive. This will be first mirrorless system that doesn’t have smaller apsc sibling. Will be also interesting how dslr market will behave from now on. Dpr is suspiciously slow to respond, lot of curious eyes peering the specs 😀

 

[Archlich]

Lots of information in the presentation.

Upcoming lens roadmap attached. FTZ adapter claimed to be compatible with about 360 lenses. From briefly showing the adapter it doesn't look like it will AF with screw drive lenses.

Z7 end of September. 440,000 yen (including tax) ($4000ish)
Z6 end of November. 270,000 yen. (including tax) ($2400ish)
24-70 f4s end of Sept. 136,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($1230ish)
35 1.8 end of Sept. 114,000 (excluding tax) ($1028ish)
50mm 1.8 s end of October 83,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($753ish)
FTZ adapter end of Sept. 36,500 yen. (excluding tax) ($329ish)
(Based on Japanese market)


Shawn

B&H has preorder open now:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/items/ci/40142/cat.html

Not unreasonable I say.

 

[gavinlg]

The 58mm noct looks very cool. Until you see it mounted on the camera and realise it's so big it needs a tripod collar.
I'm sure it will be optically superb though.

 

[Larry Cloetta]

So, who here has preordered?

 

[shawn]

B&H has preorder open now:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/items/ci/40142/cat.html

Not unreasonable I say.

I agree, Nikon is being smart and offering the FTZ bundled with the camera for only $150 more.

Shawn

 

[cz23]

It seems the Z7 has no AA filter but the Z6 does, just like the Sony A7 series products. It's amazing to me how much this release mirrors Sony's product line. I was hoping for something different. And the size of those prime lenses!

The announcement really makes me appreciate Fuji and its recent small lens designs. I know the sensor size makes a difference, but still...

I understand that I'm likely not a target customer.

John

 

[Disappointed_Horse]

I have read the reports on the new Z6 and Z7 and am disappointed. After learning that two of the initial lens offerings were going to be 35mm f/1.8 and 50mm f/1.8 primes, I was hoping that Nikon would offer a reasonably compact system. Instead, the new Z-mount primes appear to be even larger than the already bulky AF-S lenses. I'm really not interested in yet another Nikon crew-served camera.

 

[shawn]

]And the size of those prime lenses!

The announcement really makes me appreciate Fuji and its recent small lens designs. I know the sensor size makes a difference, but still...

They do seem very large.

Larger image circle needed for IBIS? Or if Nikon really is thinking about a larger sensor down the line perhaps these lenses are already built for that? (Would be brilliant if that is the strategy)

Or maybe they are just big. 😉

Shawn

 

[Archiver]

Jeepers, that Noct Nikkor looks like an nuclear plant. I'm all for good lenses, but that thing is nuts for a 58mm prime.

 

[mich rassena]

They do seem very large.

Larger image circle needed for IBIS? Or if Nikon really is thinking about a larger sensor down the line perhaps these lenses are already built for that? (Would be brilliant if that is the strategy)

Or maybe they are just big. 😉

Shawn

I hope you're right. Faster than f2 mediumish format would be a game changer. Otherwise, the lenses are just awkward for no good reason.

 

[gavinlg]

They do seem very large.

I did the exact same comparison but with the xt2 body. Also interesting is the Fuji 23mm f1.4 against the nikkor-s 35mm f1.8. Looks around 2/3rds the size using that websites comparison.

 

[froyd]

First camera to get me excited since Fuji announced the x line. I don't usually care for EVFs, but I'd be interested in taking this one for a spin and see if I can finally get a digital body for my F lenses after being underwhelmed by the Df.

 

[Archlich]

These prime lenses again have very complex designs. The 50/1.8 has "12 elements in 9 groups including 2 aspherical elements and 2 ED glass elements". FF lenses intended to fill the demand of the resolution and correction hungry 40+ MP sensors would never be small. Otherwise...

You can always pay $7,995 for the APO-Summicron 50/2.

Still, we do need something smaller and simpler! Not every camera in the system would have the 45.7 MP sensor. Seriously would like to see more simple and high performance design like the CV Ultron 40/2.