Huss
Veteran
I need to try one out in person as other EVFs make me nauseous.
Not gonna drop $4K on a camera that may make me barf.
KM-25
Well-known
I have pre-ordered the Z6 and the FTZ adapter, did it within a few minutes of the announcement.
Basically I am looking for a better tool to fill a specific need of having a quieter mechanical shutter and can play really well with my Nikon system. I was never interested in the Sony offerings because I knew Nikon would and has made a high priority out of system integration.
The camera I was looking to update was the D750 and I feel the new Z6 will will do that fairly well.
Bingley
Veteran
I love my Olympus Pen F. I really like the RF form factor and handling. The Olympus 17/1.8 is a lovely lens that takes advantage of the Pen F's incredibly fast AF. I've also used the Pen F with the Panasonic 20/1.7. These camera/lens combinations cured me of any regrets at selling my Fuji X100T. But I agree with JRocket's general point about mirrorless cameras becoming less RF-like and more like mini-SLRs: not interested.
traveler_101
American abroad
This guy says it all: "I really excited about this announcement. I don't know why I am really excited about this because I don't like mirrorless cameras but it probably is because it is Nikon and I really love Nikon."
This is the mechanism by which mirrorless becomes the new norm.
I have a Pen-F too. I don't see myself getting another digital camera in the foreseeable future.
traveler_101
American abroad
Not only is the Z7 significantly smaller and lighter, it actually looks like a camera. The D850 looks like a swollen monster or maybe a blob. Boy do I hate DSLRs.
marcr1230
Well-known
So far my impressions from the news and hands on quick reviews
Re the Z6
Overall size - good
Size with massive 58/0.95 - bad
Battery life - welcome to mirrorless
1 memory slot - not so good
Buffer - not so good
AF performance - big unknown, will it match a DSLR?
Price - reasonable
Lens availability- poor initially
In short - Nikon had to jump in the pool and start somewhere, it will take at least one more iteration to match the market I think
It’s great that they chose a short flange distance and they have an adapter for F mount lenses
Great to have ibis
I’d love to try it and compare to my Olympus E-M1.2
Re the Z6
Overall size - good
Size with massive 58/0.95 - bad
Battery life - welcome to mirrorless
1 memory slot - not so good
Buffer - not so good
AF performance - big unknown, will it match a DSLR?
Price - reasonable
Lens availability- poor initially
In short - Nikon had to jump in the pool and start somewhere, it will take at least one more iteration to match the market I think
It’s great that they chose a short flange distance and they have an adapter for F mount lenses
Great to have ibis
I’d love to try it and compare to my Olympus E-M1.2
ptpdprinter
Veteran
What is the benefit of a short flange distance, e.g. 16mm in the Nikon vs. 18mm for the Sony vs. 27.8mm for the Leica Ms. Nikon was never going to choose a large flange distance of 46.5 mm like for its SLRs and DSLRs, so an adapter was always in the cards.
Archlich
Well-known
Nikon published the lenses' MTF chart:
50/1.8S
35/1.8S
24-70/4S
This is why the primes are huge...
50/1.8S
35/1.8S
24-70/4S
This is why the primes are huge...
pixelvandal
Established
Speaking of huge lenses. And specifically, that 58mm noct lens. Has anyone mentioned that it is actually a manual focus lens? One that's so heavy it requires a tripod foot? I don't see that being much fun to use...
BlackXList
Well-known
I know the previous version was Manual Focus, because of the limits of the lens mount, but surely with the new larger lens mount it should be possible to do an AF version?
Emile de Leon
Well-known
pixelvandal
Established
Exactly what I thought. But I read an article on petapixel.com saying it's manual focus, with a bunch of info on it (not sure if linking to other sites is allowed) but if it's MF only then it would be a bit disappointing. Given the size of the lens. Didn't canon have an F1.0 AF 50mm at one point in the EF line?
Corran
Well-known
Yawn. Might as well be a rebadged Sony Ax with different firmware. I am sure there is more to it but I'm not interested. Personally, mirrorless cameras with massive lenses are DOA. I just don't see the benefit.
35photo
Well-known
Frankly I really don't understand the purpose of this lens at all.... Night time photography on the a Tripod? That's a niche market in a half... Maybe portraits I don't know many portrait photographers these days using a tripod...
ptpdprinter
Veteran
You don’t have to use a tripod. I think the trick will be manual focus with an EVF at f/0.95.
Contarama
Well-known
Video maybe? Nikon has been trying to upgrade the cinema aspect of their rigs for a few years now. Or maybe it has something to do with their plan announced last year to play at the high end.
Larry Cloetta
Veteran
Leica 50mm f/.95 Noctilux is $11,300, it’s manual focus, and they can’t keep it in stock.
If the Nikon 58 f/.95 was a better lens and undercut the Noctilux by enough to buy the 58mm and a Z6 body and still have money left over (all of which are possible, none of which are inevitable) it will be a good deal for somebody. That could be a very viable one body/one lens combo for a lot of (financially successful) people. Depending on how good it turns out to be. (Though a 58mm as an only lens might be a harder sell than a 50mm).
A well corrected f/.95 lens, if such a thing is even possible (the Noctilux isn’t perfect) is going to be big and heavy no matter who makes it. You pays your money and you takes your chances, but it’s not going to render like anything else. If the rendering is important to someone, the weight won’t really matter.
The Nikkor 200mm f/2 is an ungainly monster, but if you need/want the kinds of images it routinely produces, it is worth it to a lot of people. Practicality in the form of low weight and small size isn’t everything. If it was, we’d all be wearing google glasses.
marcr1230
Well-known
My understanding is that the flange distance needed for SLR mirror box clearance requires less effective lens designs for wide angle ( retrofrocus?) . The short flange distance makes for simpler lens designs and possibly to mount some old rf lenses w the right adapter
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
I’m cautiously optimistic, and will get a chance to handle a Z7 Tuesday. I’ll report back.
I can see ending up with four serious systems after the dust settles - Leica M for film, Nikon for SLR and DSLR, Nikon Z for mirrorless and Fuji for direct view digital. Sell off the rest that isn’t just here for collecting purposes.
I can see ending up with four serious systems after the dust settles - Leica M for film, Nikon for SLR and DSLR, Nikon Z for mirrorless and Fuji for direct view digital. Sell off the rest that isn’t just here for collecting purposes.
willie_901
Veteran
It won't be.
People (not necessarily on this forum) occasionally complain that a particular extremely fast lens does not exist with no concept of how large and that lens would be have to be. Neither do they consider the cost.