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Jan Van Laethem
Nikkor. What else?
Highway 61
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Thanks, this is nice to discuss. 🙂
I agree that some direct access buttons can't be removed on a serious DSLR :
- Menu
- Review
- Trash bin
- Zoom in/out
- WB
On a camera like the Df, the AE lock can be removed (this is what half-depressing the shutter is designed for on such a camera aimed to be used in A and M modes mainly). If the P mode was removed too, this would make plenty of sense.
The AF-lock is another question. But it could be combined with the AF L-switch.
The metering switch could easily be a collar around the shutter release, couldn't it ?
The focus point switch/multicontroller can stay.
The info button is useless if you can access the Info quickly through the main menu.
I'm not a Leica nut whatsoever but if you look at the rear panel of the M typ 240 you've got an idea of what Nikon could do with the Df2.
And no connectors doors everywhere on the next model please... for instance on the Df, gathering the battery and SD card doors is an excellent choice !
If this confirms, this is excellent news. I have myself loudly advertised the DK-17M some posts above. This may be the best alternative to any third party split-prism screen. It's now staying on my D700 eyepiece all the time. I wear glasses all the time too, but had no problem using the DK-17M to see the entire frame so far.
Yet the Df eyepoint is 3mm shorter than the D700 one... only a real life test can tell how the DK-17M works on the Df.
Jan Van Laethem
Nikkor. What else?
Sample images here :
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/df/sample.htm
Downloadable brochure here :
http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/df/pdf/df_8p.pdf
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/df/sample.htm
Downloadable brochure here :
http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/df/pdf/df_8p.pdf
Phantomas
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Addy101
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They should've used a touchscreen, no need for any buttons ;-)
Phantomas
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Here you go, side-by-side. Excuse the quality of the quick kitchen table top shot. No time to set up a "studio".
Disclaimer for the old and bitter among us: no robberies, banking scams, capitalisation on the poor and unfortunate have been performed, affiliation with governments bureaucracies established, trust funds used, or anything unethical or morally questionable involved in acquisition of these cameras. In fact besides F3 and the two MF lenses none of them have been really "acquired".
As a side-note: I never fully understood fascination with F3 (partially - yes). Sure, it's a great camera, built like a tank, functions wonderfully, but too small, too awkward to hold. Df feels much better in hand.
Disclaimer for the old and bitter among us: no robberies, banking scams, capitalisation on the poor and unfortunate have been performed, affiliation with governments bureaucracies established, trust funds used, or anything unethical or morally questionable involved in acquisition of these cameras. In fact besides F3 and the two MF lenses none of them have been really "acquired".
As a side-note: I never fully understood fascination with F3 (partially - yes). Sure, it's a great camera, built like a tank, functions wonderfully, but too small, too awkward to hold. Df feels much better in hand.
JRG
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Thanks, Phantomas --- those are helpful photos.
Highway 61
Revisited
Now the D800 really looks ugly ! 😀
Look at the size of the F3 eyepiece... 😉
Look at the size of the F3 eyepiece... 😉
Highway 61
Revisited
Yes, typo, sorry.
What's the i button ? I don't have it on my D700. No screen protector comes with the Df ?
Phantomas
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Interstellar overdrive. aka info.
edit: no protector. It's now gorilla glass or the like. I have dragged my keys across, no scratches.
daveleo
what?
@Phantomas - thank you for the picture comparisons. Very interesting.
You know, Nikon has demonstrated that they can put EVERYTHING into (onto ?) a camera body. I think the next evolution is to see what the remove to simplify the physical design.
IMO if they completely simplified backside except for the LCD and one push-push-push button to toggle what is shown on it, that would be a very attractive design.
You know, Nikon has demonstrated that they can put EVERYTHING into (onto ?) a camera body. I think the next evolution is to see what the remove to simplify the physical design.
IMO if they completely simplified backside except for the LCD and one push-push-push button to toggle what is shown on it, that would be a very attractive design.
Highway 61
Revisited
The Info button is under the AF joystick. I meant the i button located at the left bottom of the screen.
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NIKON KIU
Did you say Nippon Kogaku?
I have big hands, F3 is OK for me when I add a grip but then it's huge and heavy.
the smaller cameras like the D60 and D40 are just too small in my hand. I use a D40x regurarly and it works best for me with a grip but then the grip makes the bottom too clumsy.
I think this would fit me good.
Thanks for going to the trouble of doing this.
Kiu
the smaller cameras like the D60 and D40 are just too small in my hand. I use a D40x regurarly and it works best for me with a grip but then the grip makes the bottom too clumsy.
I think this would fit me good.
Thanks for going to the trouble of doing this.
Kiu
Phantomas
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Having one info button would be very biased, no? But like this you get your info from the left side and from the right side, and make a balanced, informed decision 🙂
Kidding aside, right one gives you simple setting info. Left one let's you actually change the key settings. Don't ask. But I do like my left "I" button, very useful. (When Coolpix A came out that "I" button was my third favourite feature on the camera, after the DX sensor and fixed lens).
DNG
Film Friendly
Just read this: Title of Blog Post:
Nikon Sales Have Fallen, The Nikon DF Is Not In High Demand
from the Phoblographer blog
Snip>>
In what we think is a significant moment, Nikons sales of their interchangeable lens cameras are down by about 14%.
This is in comparison to the same time last year. Demand for Nikon’s compact cameras have fallen about 30%.
This has led to Nikon’s imaging division reporting a 26% loss of income. The worst part of this is Nikon’s overall profits declined 57.5%.
We are not sure what this means for Nikon in the long run, but they have some decisions to make.
Nikon sales forecast has also been cut. The demand of photography hobbyist has fallen.
The Nikon DF may not be the Nikon fans were looking for.
<<Snip
many here have replied with a similar concern that the Df was not the right camera to increase sales..
Many wanted the Df to be more F3 sized.....
Copied from Post 911 (Phantomas)
Nikon Sales Have Fallen, The Nikon DF Is Not In High Demand
from the Phoblographer blog
Snip>>
In what we think is a significant moment, Nikons sales of their interchangeable lens cameras are down by about 14%.
This is in comparison to the same time last year. Demand for Nikon’s compact cameras have fallen about 30%.
This has led to Nikon’s imaging division reporting a 26% loss of income. The worst part of this is Nikon’s overall profits declined 57.5%.
We are not sure what this means for Nikon in the long run, but they have some decisions to make.
Nikon sales forecast has also been cut. The demand of photography hobbyist has fallen.
The Nikon DF may not be the Nikon fans were looking for.
<<Snip
many here have replied with a similar concern that the Df was not the right camera to increase sales..
Many wanted the Df to be more F3 sized.....
Copied from Post 911 (Phantomas)
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Thanks for the picture, Phantomas.
I truly don't understand what everyone is complaining about.
The Df looks to be a very good camera with manual controls.
Isn't that what we've been waiting for?
Were I to be in a position to buy a digital full frame camera today, I'd never consider the blob on the right. 🙂
I truly don't understand what everyone is complaining about.
The Df looks to be a very good camera with manual controls.
Isn't that what we've been waiting for?
Were I to be in a position to buy a digital full frame camera today, I'd never consider the blob on the right. 🙂
jsrockit
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Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Frank... as an aside: What the heck do YOU need fast AF for?? Your models never looked like they move around all that much. 😛
- Jamie
Frank Petronio
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You'd be surprised, especially with the smoke bombs and Airsoft guns I've gotten into.
But otherwise, why use a DSLR at all? Their only real advantages are 1. a nice full sized grip and control surfaces for mesomorph hands and 2. better focus tracking and overall speed. My 2007-era Nikon D300 runs circles around the Fujis and m4/3s I've tried. What's wrong with this picture is that it's six years later and Nikon hasn't improved on that, at least with any affordable camera (other than maybe the D4).
If I am stuck with a choice of only using center focus points and a hum-drum AF system (DF or D600) then I might just as well go with a mirrorless camera... put a grip on a Sony or something so it doesn't slip.
I look at the pictures in the galleries and such and most are pretty darn static, which is a shame. Some of this technology is really wonderful in that it really does allow us to track running children or birds in flight and get a stream of well-exposed, in focus photos at ridiculously high ISOs, all of which would be unimaginably back in the film days. Why not use a tool to its best capability? Not saying that the DF needed to be a sports or wildlife camera but I am kind of sick of paying more for less.
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