Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Robert,
Fine. We all have different priorities and ways of thinking. It was "no-brainer" that I was really complaining about.
Cheers,
R.
Highway 61
Revisited
Looks like you like complaining about things you like and which others don't.
Or things others like and which you don't.
Actually I use to get lost within your so subtle ways of thinking...
What I see in the D750 viewfinder is a bit larger and a bit more contrasted than what I see in the Df viewfinder (without using the very convenient DK-17M lupe which, I know, can't be used with the D750). Since the D750 viewfinder is the same as the one of the D800 and D810 this isn't surprising.
It's like comparing the D800-810 and D600-610 viewfinders. They're theorically identical. Yet, one is a tiny bit larger than the other.
Both viewfinders are 100% but the D750 viewfinder offers something a bit better especially when you wear glasses and don't wan't to use a lupe because you need to see the whole frame at once. Also, the informations array below the viewfinder image is larger and easier to see in the D750 viewfinder.
The differences are tiny but they do exist.
Go into a shop and set a Df and a D750 side by side without any lenses mounted. You'll see that the D750 is smaller than the Df. Same - it's not considerably smaller but it is smaller.
Also : the high-iso performances of the 24MP sensor installed in the D750 have nothing to envy to the high-iso performances of the 16MP sensor installed in the Df.
Both are excellent tools ; one is more expensive than the other ; one has this, the other has that... one is designed like this, the other is designed like that... oh well.
There is nothing such as the perfect Nikon full-frame DSLR. If such a thing existed, we would all know it.
My point is : it might be reasonable to tell someone hesitating between the D800-810 and the Df to look closely at the D750.
Even to someone having no brain (to please Roger).
newsgrunt
Well-known
I use a D750 side by side with a pair of D4s cameras and prefer the smaller 750 for day to day walking around work. File size is not too big and the articulating screen is a godsend for low or hail mary work. I'd take a 750 > Df. ymmv
Fraser
Well-known
If you ever think you will need video then the really no choice, I use canons for work but bought a d700 to use with all my old lenses and as much as I like the look of the df in actual use in my opinion modern body design works better. If you need something really light you could always pick up a secondhand fuji x100 to go with the D3 and D800.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Is it really so subtle to point out that the phrase "no brainer" is, very often, synonymous with "I have no brain, because if I did I would realize that there are perfectly valid reasons for choosing something else"?
Otherwise, there was no complaint: merely the presentation of a different point of view.
Cheers,
R.
I have and I don't see it...
Highway 61
Revisited
It's a matter of a few millimeters here and there and all in all it's actually very hard to tell.
Here is what I found elsewhere :
Df : 144 x 110 x 67 mm (5.67 x 4.33 x 2.64 in). Weight (with battery) : 760 g.
D750 : 140.5 x 113 x 78mm (5.6 x 4.5 x 3.1 in). Weight (with battery) : 755 g.
The D750 is narrower so it really looks smaller on the bench when side by side with the Df... damn !
But, you're right, the Df wins.
x-ray
Veteran
You must have a very early DF - mine is sync'ing up to 1/250 (X is 1/200) with no issues
Cheers
Ivo
(still have your Leicavit
My mistake. I use the shutter speed dial and sync at 1/125 because there's no 1/200 on it. Yes it syncs at 1/200.
Fraser
Well-known
watch this if nothing else its entertaining!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en5z-Q4po4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en5z-Q4po4M
Highway 61
Revisited
Deconstructing all old language idioms (whatever the language is) to show that what they literally say is something actually different than the usual common meaning people paste on them according to the popular culture has be done by great specialists only. Many books have been published as well.
RFF was certainly lacking something like that. I do encourage you to continue. You'll find some interesting matter in almost every thread of every sub-forum.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Thanks for the link. It's convinced me that I like the layout of the D750 quite a lot more than that of the Df, and they're close enough in size/weight that neither has an advantage there. The D750 and F6 are close in control layout, other than the dedicated mode dial instead of a button-dial readout on the LCD, and the D750 is a bit lighter and a tiny bit smaller. I like that. Also, the D750's 24 Mpixel puts it on the same pixel footing as my M-P, which has its benefits.
The Df is nothing like my favorite F3/T was except for a couple of styling hints. Too many knobs, dials, interlocks, buttons, etc. I'm sure it's a good camera, but it seems a little too "retro-styled" rather than being a derivative/descendent of the same design thinking.
G
Yeah, I get that. I was totally pissed that Nikon missed an opportunity when the Df came out. I wanted a F3 style digital. However, once they started to sell for $1600-1800 used, I bought one. Once I got over the fact that it wasn't going to feel like a film camera and started to just think of it as its own entity, I learned to love it. Once I paired it with the 58mm 1.4g, I really fell for it. I tried a D800e recently and did not like it at all.
Honestly, it either comes down to you like the ergonomics of the typical Nikon DSLR or you do not. I don't, so thankfully there is the Df. However, if a Df2 is never made, I'll have to learn to love the more typical Nikon. The 58mm 1.4g is just too nice to give up on Nikon.
awbphotog
Well-known
Not to mention the files...
I use two of these cameras for commercial work paired with either the 85mm 1.8, 24-70, or the 35 1.8 and the files best the D4 I use every time. There's something intangible about the quality of the images coming from the DF that makes me reach for it over any other digital camera (when it comes to professional work). I've gotten quite used to all the controls and, like JS, find them to be just fine after a bit. It's really a stellar camera, and perhaps it works in my favor that not everyone likes it.
Can't tell you how many would-be-know-it-alls have asked me what film I'm shooting with it!
That's true, but the files from all of these high end Nikons are pretty nice.
x-ray
Veteran
Not to mention the files...
I use two of these cameras for commercial work paired with either the 85mm 1.8, 24-70, or the 35 1.8 and the files best the D4 I use every time. There's something intangible about the quality of the images coming from the DF that makes me reach for it over any other digital camera (when it comes to professional work). I've gotten quite used to all the controls and, like JS, find them to be just fine after a bit. It's really a stellar camera, and perhaps it works in my favor that not everyone likes it.
Can't tell you how many would-be-know-it-alls have asked me what film I'm shooting with it!
I completely agree. There's something special about the files. They're more vibrant for a lack of words.
I certainly like the feel and operation over my D800. Nothing wrong with the D800 for sure but the Df has a totally different feel. I use my Df just like a film camera, the LCD is shut off and I use the aperture ring and shutter speed dial as I would on an F. It's as close to a film camera as were going to get for a while.
johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
IIRC the D600, D800 and D4 all are built around the same processor and chip set. The D4 optimized for speed and ISO (lower MP), the D800 optimized for resolution (higher MP, slightly lower ISO, lower speed), the D600 the 'mediocre' model with average MP, D800-like ISO but optimized for video. Also, the D4 and Df sensor are said to be similar, the D4 again built for speed and ISO, the Df less so.
Who said this? Ken did and I think he's right. http://kenrockwell.com/nikon/d600-d800-d4-are-the-same-camera.htm
Also, here's a list of sites that compare the D4, D800, D600, Df models: https://www.google.nl/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=HbrUVcX3G8vt-AbMxKaoAQ&gws_rd=ssl#q=compare+D4+Df
All in all, it's horses for courses, what does the OP want to use it for?
In my case, I needed a sufficient high resolution, not too much speed (have a D700 for that), above D700 ISO, and video capabilities. So I bought a D600. It fits the bill, brings home the bacon and it didn't cost me a kidney to afford it.
Who said this? Ken did and I think he's right. http://kenrockwell.com/nikon/d600-d800-d4-are-the-same-camera.htm
Also, here's a list of sites that compare the D4, D800, D600, Df models: https://www.google.nl/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=HbrUVcX3G8vt-AbMxKaoAQ&gws_rd=ssl#q=compare+D4+Df
All in all, it's horses for courses, what does the OP want to use it for?
In my case, I needed a sufficient high resolution, not too much speed (have a D700 for that), above D700 ISO, and video capabilities. So I bought a D600. It fits the bill, brings home the bacon and it didn't cost me a kidney to afford it.
darya151
Established
eBay, various forum classifieds... even as low as $1400 on rare occasions.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Good! Perhaps some forum users will think a little harder before using current mindless and substantially meaningless slang (not "old language idioms") without bothering to consider what they are actually saying, e.g. "I have no brain". I am encouraged by the thought that you might join me in my little crusade.
Cheers,
R.
Tony Whitney
Well-known
Roger, you are totally right. It's a joy to read your wonderful comments among some of the dross we get here. Very much "worth the price of admission" if there was a price of admission. Please continue the good work! Cheers...Tony