Larry H-L
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Some of the third party lens makers have fast wide primes for m4/3 and Fuji, perhaps some of those lenses will now show up with Nikon Z dx mounts?
Timmyjoe
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Wonder if it will also come in Black like the original Df.
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-Tim
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-Tim
Timmyjoe
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$1196.95, with that new 28mm DX lens. Wow, that came in lower than I expected.
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-Tim
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-Tim
Timmyjoe
Veteran
Some images I thought were interesting from dpreview's initial review -
That's pretty impressive that they got it that small. I was hoping the Df would come in much smaller than it actually did. Does anyone know if that top plate is actually metal, or jus silver painted plastic?
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-Tim
gavinlg
Veteran
Magnesium Alloy according to the press release.
Larry Cloetta
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I’d agree with all of this, so I was likely not getting my point across very well. I also prefer dials to menus for the reasons you list. The problem with trying to make a digital camera “retro” is that a digital camera “needs”, or at least wants, more controls than whatever film camera the digital body is trying to imitate. White balance, ISO control, type of shutter- electronic, physical or auto-, focus peaking, and the list goes on. Where is the aperture ring going to be, and if there isn’t one, then what, because a quick look at the camera from above which shows physical indicators of shutter and aperture is the thing which made film photography simple. The problem facing someone trying to come up with an elegant, clean physical design of a digital body that mimics an analog body is deciding on the perfect blend of form and function, what gets a dial, where do you put it, and how many and which of the digital functions, such as ISO selection, gets its own dial, or is left in a readily accessible yet unobtrusive menu. Making all these choices in an intelligent way while at the same time preserving the clean, uncluttered physical design that marked some of the better designed film cameras. That’s not easy, especially when the marketing people start shoving aside the design people on your staff, adding more physical controls in order to appeal to several different target groups at the same time.
So, I don’t disagree with anything you or Pal k have mentioned, in terms of goals, my feeling is only that it could have been better, more cleanly/elegantly designed to achieve those same goals, without being as cluttered as it is. But, that’s an even longer discussion, so I will leave that aside.
And, over and above all this, there are still yet to be resolved questions about the lenses for this “system” coming from Nikon, who have never had any kind of passion for DX lenses. But, again, no one knows at this point where that will go. As with any camera, it’s all about the lenses. Maybe everyone can agree about that, at least.
I didn’t mean it to you only. I truly understand how it would not appeal if you are used to the best of the best. I really like your camera that you posted and I can be a snob about cameras too. I mean, who isn’t?
And after reading what you posted above, I think our thoughts about the camera are closer than I thought.
Timmyjoe
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Put the FX sensor from the Nikon Z6 in that thing and give it an F mount and I'd buy one in a heartbeat. But alas . . .
Just very impressed how small they were able to make it, compared to the Df.
Best,
-Tim
Just very impressed how small they were able to make it, compared to the Df.
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-Tim
gavinlg
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Well said Larry, I appreciate your clarifications and agree with a lot of your points.
Disappointed_Horse
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I don't disagree, but I would not hold my breath waiting for Nikon to announce any small lenses beyond the 28mm and 40mm they've already announced. After buying my F-mount 35mm f/1.8 DX lens, I waited about 12 years for Nikon to add similar DX lenses in other focal lengths. I'm still waiting.
Larry Cloetta
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Thanks, John. I wasn’t posting that because it was rare and hard to come by, with resulting snob factor, but because I think it’s an example of good, clean analog camera design. If they’d made a million of them and sold them for $10 apiece, I’d think the same thing. My thinking was, and still is, that Nikon could have done a cleaner “retro” design for this new camera, with form following function, and still have incorporated all the digital controls that digital requires, and left everyone happy, or even happier, including all those who are happy with this new body the way it is. It’s just a personal opinion.
I can certainly agree… the more minimal a camera is, the better for me. Unfortunately, it just think it isn’t realistic for anyone other than Leica. Leica’s business model allows for it without worrying about competition.
I really like this little camera, but the lenses...there isn't even a half-commitment to DX by Nikon, so....why?
Fujifilm has a great array of superb glass, and IBIS, so that's the obvious choice.
Timmyjoe
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As I imagined, here's a Millennial/Gen Z-er creating internet content with the new Nikon Zfc camera.
Millennial/Gen Z-er creating internet content with the Nikon Zfc
I watch my kids and their friends, who spend way too much time (in my old curmudgeonly opinion) creating content for their internet presences. I see the Zfc as fitting into that lifestyle.
Best,
-Tim
Millennial/Gen Z-er creating internet content with the Nikon Zfc
I watch my kids and their friends, who spend way too much time (in my old curmudgeonly opinion) creating content for their internet presences. I see the Zfc as fitting into that lifestyle.
Best,
-Tim
kshapero
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JeffS7444
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I got no idea what younger people want in a camera, but wow, there's barely any price premium at all here vs Z50 despite inclusion of premium features like the front control wheel.
I like how, like Olympus, they made an LCD which can be flipped around for concealment, but there's no apparent loss of functionality.
As with the Pen-F, maybe there will be a follow-up model and maybe there won't: Maybe it's time for some of you to start counting your pennies?
I like how, like Olympus, they made an LCD which can be flipped around for concealment, but there's no apparent loss of functionality.
As with the Pen-F, maybe there will be a follow-up model and maybe there won't: Maybe it's time for some of you to start counting your pennies?
Highway 61
Revisited
+1, looks like Nikon always almost does it. Buy a Nikon digital camera and then you will almost get what you expected they'd make.
This is a mirrorless APS-C thing and still it's bigger than the FF Leica M10 (which needs a longer optical register because of the rangefinder and which is the same size as the FM2, top section of the pentaprism finder aside). Come on, nothing remarkable here. But for the pale blue and light pink leatherette options, maybe.
Timmyjoe
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I'm going to assume the little knurled wheel on the front left of the Nikon Zfc is for control of the aperture on Z lenses as well as G & locked D lenses.
If so, I like the orientation of the wheel, compared to the same control on the Nikon Df.
The orientation of that wheel on the Nikon Df never felt natural when changing the aperture.
Best,
-Tim
If so, I like the orientation of the wheel, compared to the same control on the Nikon Df.
The orientation of that wheel on the Nikon Df never felt natural when changing the aperture.
Best,
-Tim
farlymac
PF McFarland
Nikon's own website says "Vari-angle vlogger screen that hides away when you’re not using it."
But most cameras these days are aimed at these users....