No more Neopan 1600, what now?

[gb hill]

I just bought 2 rolls of Neopan 1600 today. Exp. date is 7 2012. I wonder if this batch is their last run. I left the store with about 6 rolls left on the shelf. Perhaps I will go back & pick up the rest if able.

 

[kxl]

Of the 400 ISO films I've pushed to 1600 Ilford HP5+ impressed me the most. I don't like it much at box speed though!

Keith - nice shot. Could you provide details re: exposure and development (what developer, times, etc...)?

I like HP5+ @ EI 400, dev in HC-110 Dil B, but cannot seem to make HP5 work beyond EI 800 (in Diafine). I still have more than 100 rolls of Neo1600, but Tri-X @ EI 1250 (in Diafine) would have been my Plan B.

 

[Chriscrawfordphoto]

Nothing matches neopan 1600 as far as I'm concerned for a high speed film. MAYBE one of the tmax films in tmax developer comes close...

(yes I'm still pissed they discontinued my favorite film)

I still prefer Tmax 3200 at 1600. It had far better tonality and shadow detail than Neopan 1600. Tmax 400 pushed to 1600 isn't bad either

TMY-2 pushed to 1600 in Tmax DEveloper

 

[maddoc]

Delta3200 can be nice, too. 🙂

 

[evanbaines]

Another option that I REALLY like is Delta 400 pushed to 1600. Processed in DDX, this film is considered to have a true ISO of 500, which means a little better shadow detail than some of the other 400's while retaining its contrasty and dramatic look. Neopan 1600's true speed was only 1/3 stop faster than Delta's in DDX, so shadow detail is in the same ballpark. Not saying that they are the same film , but if you're looking for something contrasty but with better shadow detail than some of the other 400's @ +2 without resorting to the much more grainy 3200 films....

Its funny, Delta 400 vs. Delta 3200 seems like a huge difference based on box speed, but in terms of true speed in DDX (or another speed enhancing developer) they are only a stop apart, with much less grain on the 400. I use and love both for different applications, but 400 + 2 is definitely a look I enjoy.

(Delta 400 +2 in DDX)

 

[menos]

I shoot mostly TriX400 @ 3200.

TriX400 @ 1600:

TriX400 @ 3200:

TriX400 @ 3200:

Grain?

Neopan400 @ 3200:

I never tried Neopan1600 or any fast BW film over 400 and I don't miss them, as TriX400 and Neopan400 push extremely nice.

I use D-76 or TMax Developer for TriX400 pushed 1:1 and D-76 for Neopan.

 

[Rob-F]

I just shot some Delta 3200 in the range of EI 1250 to 1600. I developed it in TMax developer for 8 minutes @ 68 degrees (a somewhat unusual choice for me, but since I has a bottle on hand, I used it). The negatives look really good, with nice, full shadow detail, and the highlights are not blocked. I have not printed it yet, but I'm eager to see what the grain will look like in the prints.

 

[semilog]

Neopan 400 @ EI 800, XTOL 1+1.

I don't generally push it harder than 800, but there's clearly enough room there to do so.


20101128-scan1072 by Semilog, on Flickr

 

[shyoon]

Nothing matches neopan 1600 as far as I'm concerned for a high speed film.

So true. I've pushed most ISO400 films to 1600 but nothing tops Neopan 1600.

 

[Tim Gray]

Now that everyone is piling on with all their high speed suggestions, I just want to clarify something - if you want a look similar to Neopan 1600, I would think pushing Neopan 400 (or Tri-X or HP5+) will be the closest.

If you want the 'best' high speed option, then that's something different. I'd look into T-Max 3200 or Delta 3200. The grain will surely be higher, but you'll get about a stop of extra shadows. I think it's worth it. Though pushing 400 speed film definitely has it's place. If you wish, you can go with pushed T-Max 400 when you want the finest grain, pushed HP5+/Tri-X/Neopan 400 when you want something in between, and Delta 3200/T-Max 3200 when you need the extra sensitivity and more grain.

I personally like T-Max 3200 rated at 1600. With proper exposure I think it really looks nice.


. by ezwal, on Flickr

 

[EcoLeica]

I completely agree with Tim, TMAX 3200 is such a nice looking film when exposed at 1600 asa.

 

[tensai]

So, neopan 1600 is discontinued for 35mm as well or are we all talking about 120 here? :[
(those pushed tri-x samples look really good by the way)

 

[filmtwit]

What about Ilford 3200?

 

[maclaine]

I shoot mostly TriX400 @ 3200.

TriX400 @ 1600:

TriX400 @ 3200:

TriX400 @ 3200:

Grain?

Neopan400 @ 3200:

I never tried Neopan1600 or any fast BW film over 400 and I don't miss them, as TriX400 and Neopan400 push extremely nice.

I use D-76 or TMax Developer for TriX400 pushed 1:1 and D-76 for Neopan.

Wow! These look great. I've been shooting some Delta 3200 and Tmax 3200 lately, and of the two, I like the Tmax at 1600 most, but whenever I shoot either in daylight, the grain is out of control. I don't mind a bit of grain or even a lot of grain, but I feel like it's too much with those films. Your results looks excellent, though. What times are you using for the D76?

 

[Chriscrawfordphoto]

So, neopan 1600 is discontinued for 35mm as well or are we all talking about 120 here? :[
(those pushed tri-x samples look really good by the way)

It was never made in 120 size, or if it was, it was never sold outside Japan. For 120 size Ilford Delta 3200 is all there has ever been in high speed film.

 

[marduk]

Guys what developer do you use for the TMax 400 and 3200 @1600 ISO?
So far my best bet was Tri-X 400 in Rodinal 1+100 stand.

 

[taskoni]

Seems like Tri-X or T-max pushed will be the solution. I like also Delta 3200 but i's too grainy for my taste. Here is an example:

Regards,

 

[jonmanjiro]

So, neopan 1600 is discontinued for 35mm as well or are we all talking about 120 here? :[
(those pushed tri-x samples look really good by the way)

Neopan 1600 in 35mm is discontinued. It was officially announced on the 15th of December last year.

http://fujifilm.jp/information/articlead_0066.html

 

[Chriscrawfordphoto]

Guys what developer do you use for the TMax 400 and 3200 @1600 ISO?
So far my best bet was Tri-X 400 in Rodinal 1+100 stand.

Tmax Developer diluted 1+4, using Kodak's recommended times.

Here's some tmax 3200 at 1600 shots

All developed in Tmax Developer

 

[tensai]

It was never made in 120 size, or if it was, it was never sold outside Japan. For 120 size Ilford Delta 3200 is all there has ever been in high speed film.

You're totally right as far as I know, my mistake.

Neopan 1600 in 35mm is discontinued. It was officially announced on the 15th of December last year.

http://fujifilm.jp/information/articlead_0066.html

Thanks for that link. Too bad Fuji seems to be forced to get rid of more and more film, but so be it.