leicashot
Well-known
While it's build is nicer than most CV lenses it's identical to the previous version, IMHO.
SimonSawSunlight
Simon Fabel
optically very, very close. cool. and if the build quality is on par with v1 then there is nothing left to discuss about here. 
leicashot
Well-known
optically very, very close. cool. and if the build quality is on par with v1 then there is nothing left to discuss about here.
Simon, you have no place in this discussion, cause your pictures are fine the way they are!
Bokeh shouldn't even be part of your vocabulary. Your images are always filled with (content) anything but bokeh...and keep it up mate!
Wobba
Member
That's great. So, for once, everybody can be happy. Those that own the V1 will not feel compelled to upgrade. And those that bought the V2 will not feel that they have missed out.
rsolti
Established
I had the VI twice and was very disappointed with this lens...decided to give it a second chance with VII. All I can say is, I am very happy I sold my 35 Lux ASPH and replaced it with this lens. The sharpness wide open even at f/1.2 is simply remarkable...really. The contrast does seem to be better than what I remember. LOCA is extremely well controlled and I would say as good if not better than the 35 Lux ASPH. In addition, flare resistance is also remarkable. I didn't have much time tonight, but I think the few shots below will show the proof as they were tough shots for any lens. All shots below straight out of camera (M9) with NO post processing
First shot wide open with the sun over her left shoulder....notice how well flare is controlled. No adjustments in post to this file. I think LOCA is also very well controlled given the situation
Next shot is also taken wide open (f/1.2) with the sun directly behind her head. Look at how well CAs are controlled....very nice
100% crop - all I can say is WOW!!!!! Remember, NO post processing, no sharpening, NOTHING
a shot with the sun behind the head at f/2 showing how it sharpens up nicely
100% crop
some crappy pics showing flare....first shot at f/6.7 and second shot at f/4.8
Some infinity shots....first shot at f/2.8 with the 100% crop. Second shot at f/8 with the 100% crop
All in all I can say that I am more than pleasantly surprised.....I am shocked at how good this lens is. Some of you have had great luck with the VI and were expecting a great lens, but I was not in that boat. The sharpness at f/1.2 is really shocking to me and the bokeh is much nicer than the 35 Lux ASPH IMO. I was always a fan of the 35 Nokton bokeh, but the sharpness wasn't there compared to the 35 Lux ASPH. I think it is now. I would say that it is as sharp if not sharper than the 35 Lux ASPH wide open and clearly sharper stopped down. If you ask me the VII does seem contrastier than VI and just about perfect for how I would like it. If you are considering this lens, BUY IT before he runs out!!!!
Ryan
First shot wide open with the sun over her left shoulder....notice how well flare is controlled. No adjustments in post to this file. I think LOCA is also very well controlled given the situation
Next shot is also taken wide open (f/1.2) with the sun directly behind her head. Look at how well CAs are controlled....very nice
100% crop - all I can say is WOW!!!!! Remember, NO post processing, no sharpening, NOTHING
a shot with the sun behind the head at f/2 showing how it sharpens up nicely
100% crop
some crappy pics showing flare....first shot at f/6.7 and second shot at f/4.8
Some infinity shots....first shot at f/2.8 with the 100% crop. Second shot at f/8 with the 100% crop
All in all I can say that I am more than pleasantly surprised.....I am shocked at how good this lens is. Some of you have had great luck with the VI and were expecting a great lens, but I was not in that boat. The sharpness at f/1.2 is really shocking to me and the bokeh is much nicer than the 35 Lux ASPH IMO. I was always a fan of the 35 Nokton bokeh, but the sharpness wasn't there compared to the 35 Lux ASPH. I think it is now. I would say that it is as sharp if not sharper than the 35 Lux ASPH wide open and clearly sharper stopped down. If you ask me the VII does seem contrastier than VI and just about perfect for how I would like it. If you are considering this lens, BUY IT before he runs out!!!!
Ryan
leicashot
Well-known
Extra crops not added earlier. Keep in mind there may have been some focus differences.
V2
V1
V2 crop
V1 crop
V2
V1
V2 crop
V1 crop
rsolti
Established
Kristian....I am seeing a big improvement in sharpness and a contrastier lens in VII in the crops you just posted above
sazerac
Well-known
Hot Damn Leicashot! It definitely looks like the vII is an improvement over the vI. Thanks for posting these images!
leicashot
Well-known
Guys don't jump the gun yet. There is nothing definitive about the results shown here. We still need brick walls, newspapers and cat pictures to be sure of anything
umcelinho
Marcelo
Guys don't jump the gun yet. There is nothing definitive about the results shown here. We still need brick walls, newspapers and cat pictures to be sure of anything
Don't forget the focus charts..
Thanks a lot for posting all these images, I bet they have made many rffers drool in front of the screen. If it's not to ask a lot, I wonder if you could take a low light shot wide open to show how light balls look like with the V2. The one thing I don't really like about the V1 is its bullseye effect on light balls, and ever since the V2 was announced I got very curious as to how it would render these... something like this:
onion rings by Marcelo Colmenero, on Flickr
Pretty please?
Wobba
Member
Guys don't jump the gun yet. There is nothing definitive about the results shown here. We still need brick walls, newspapers and cat pictures to be sure of anything
Sorry, I'm new here. Next time I will post the obligatory brick wall and cat test shots.
leicashot
Well-known
gdi
Veteran
Don't forget the focus charts..
Thanks a lot for posting all these images, I bet they have made many rffers drool in front of the screen. If it's not to ask a lot, I wonder if you could take a low light shot wide open to show how light balls look like with the V2. The one thing I don't really like about the V1 is its bullseye effect on light balls, and ever since the V2 was announced I got very curious as to how it would render these... something like this:
onion rings by Marcelo Colmenero, on Flickr
Pretty please?
What causes that effect?
Wobba
Member
Vince you should know better. You may be new here but we go back at least 7 years
Fair call mate. Thanks for bringing me back to my senses !!
seakayaker1
Well-known
Kristian, thanks for the comparison!
Some may not like the bokeh but it looks great to me. (JMHO)
Some may not like the bokeh but it looks great to me. (JMHO)
marsa
Member
Can someone embellish a little on this? What happens, or how does it look, in the viewfinder (focus patch) of a trad M when you focus on something at 0.7m and then turn the lens to 0.5m? Is there any room for errors here?
I also incorporate the the same way of getting close as leicashot where I just turn the lens all the way to 0.7 and move forward and backward to get things in focus..
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
In the crop of the leaf the latest version definitely looks sharper to me!
marsa
Member
So if you focus on something at 0.7 and have that in focus, but keep turning the focus ring on the lens to 0.5 it'll appear in the vf that things are still in focus?
I'm trying to picture how much this will affect me in a real life situation.. Right now it seems as a possible chance of oof subjects..
I am, however, very drawn to the fact that v2 is sharper...
Hmm.. one thing I'm certain of, I will be getting one of these babies for sure.
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sazerac
Well-known
Guys don't jump the gun yet. There is nothing definitive about the results shown here. We still need brick walls, newspapers and cat pictures to be sure of anything
The hot damn was directed more at your extensive post!
I think I may wait on upgrading. I recently got distracted by a 90/2 that I am borrowing from a friend...
I'm looking forward to seeing more images from the vII!
Olsen
Well-known
Wobba,
Thanks for taking the time to make these tests available to us. But if you have distortion-corrected them in LR afterwards; what kind of lens test is it then? Further; an issue with the M9 and non Leica lenses are the 'Italian flag' issue, typical with non Leica fast lenses/wide angles. Have you corrected for the Italian Flag too?
Please note that all lenses have a focus shift. Due to physical laws. But they can only be seen on very fast lenses.
Thanks for taking the time to make these tests available to us. But if you have distortion-corrected them in LR afterwards; what kind of lens test is it then? Further; an issue with the M9 and non Leica lenses are the 'Italian flag' issue, typical with non Leica fast lenses/wide angles. Have you corrected for the Italian Flag too?
Please note that all lenses have a focus shift. Due to physical laws. But they can only be seen on very fast lenses.