Oh dear, the Barnack bug almost bit me

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custom IIIf by cameraworks-uk.com, grip by metro-case.com

 

[gb hill]

This is one of my favorite threads to visit. Right now my Nicca S3 with my 50 elmar has kept me satisfied. Being broke & needing a new set of tires helps.😂

 

[David Hughes]

;-)

;-)

Snip! ...I think a clone of the same size as a Barnack would be interesting, but what struck me so much was the lovely size of the III with Elmar - just nicely pocket sized.

You see, the bug for a USSR made variation has bitten again but I won't be saying I told you so...

Regards, David

 

[lxmike]

A Cosina/Voigtländer Color Skopar 50mm f/2.5, bought new in 2002 but heavily used since then. Indestructable, just like the camera (from 1936).

Erik.

they go well together

 

[raydm6]

This thread is tempting especially with the beautiful examples posted.

I have two IIIf's (one w/Summitar & other w/collapsible 'Cron) but am itching to get a Black Enamel/Nickel II or III with an Elmar and perhaps a Black/NICKEL VIDOM or VIOOH just because it looks so cool... 😎


Leica IIIf RD w/Summitar by rdc154, on Flickr

 

[Erik van Straten]

Black/NICKEL VIDOM or VIOOH

Black and Nickel VIOOH's do not exist afaik. The VIDOM is hard to use because the image is mirrored.

A black SBOOI is worth looking for. They exist. About thirty years ago I found one. I've not seen a single one after that.

Erik.

 

[lxmike]

This thread is tempting especially with the beautiful examples posted.

I have two IIIf's (one w/Summitar & other w/collapsible 'Cron) but am itching to get a Black Enamel/Nickel II or III with an Elmar and perhaps a Black/NICKEL VIDOM or VIOOH just because it looks so cool... 😎


Leica IIIf RD w/Summitar by rdc154, on Flickr

thats one fine looking camera😎

 

[raydm6]

Black and Nickel VIOOH's do not exist afaik...

Thanks for the correction Erik. It was an assumption on my part. Looks like they are chrome.

I do have two late version Silver SBOOI's with the grip grooves on each IIIf and love them to bits. I have never seen the black version. I believe you posted a photo of it in the past.

Would you recommend a Black III over the II? I get confused with serial numbers and have seen III's with lower serial numbers than the II at times if I recall correctly but maybe the III's were converted II's.

 

[Erik van Straten]

In those early years many conversions were made. Every camera kept its original number. I certainly recommend a III over the II if you want to use the camera. Usually the II's are very pretty, because they were rarely used. The III was much more a professional camera: the "long" times and the rangefinder with a magnification of 1,5 were very useful. The strap lugs of the III are nice when you want to use a strap to carry the camera. The III is usually smoother too.

Good luck!

Erik.

 

[raydm6]

Thanks Erik!

 

[raydm6]

thats one fine looking camera😎

Thanks! My other IIIf RDST (w/SBOOI, Summicron, Leicavit):


Leica IIIf RDST w/5cm Summicron & SBOOI by rdc154, on Flickr


Leica IIIf RDST w/5cm Summicron, SBOOI and Leicavit by rdc154, on Flickr

 

[CharlesDAMorgan]

Apologies if this is a seriously dumb question, with which models can you use modern film capsules, and is there a mod for the older ones that used the Leica capsules?

 

[johannielscom]

Apologies if this is a seriously dumb question, with which models can you use modern film capsules, and is there a mod for the older ones that used the Leica capsules?

They all take modern film cassettes right off the bat, no modification necessary.

1) The very early cameras had a bottom plate that required a Leica/Agfa KASAM cassette. This is a type of metal cassette that resembles the modern ones in outer dimensions, but it was reloadable.

2) The next generation had a bottom plate that could unlock the FILCA. The FILCA was a Leitz cassette that had a spring lock along the side of the cassette, and the bottom plate lock needed a small provision that forces the spring away from the cassette when you mount the bottom plate, so that the bottom plate lock could rotate the cassette to open position.

3) When the M type Leicas came, the updated version of this cassette was the IXMOO, it resembles the previous type but is a few millimeters taller and cannot be used in the screw mount Leicas.

But, both the Barnack and M type Leicas can all take modern cassettes!

 

[David Hughes]

Hi,

Here's an original 1920's Leitz cassette with a modern one beside it; they are lined up so that the films could run from one spool to the other:-

As you can see, there's a bit of padding needed both ends. Some use homemade card washers and one or two have suggested felt self adhesive corn plasters(!) and others have suggested a mod. to the camera with a washer or two to raise the bottom of the cassette. If that's not obvious, here's a similar photo but with a more modern Leica cassette:-

A minor aside; fake Leicas, meaning made from 1950's FED cameras will not take a FILCA and they jam as you try to put them in. That's a good acid test for a fake, btw...

And, just remembered, the pre-war Agfa disposable ones are slightly shorter than the Filca's and the pre-war Perutz are a fraction shorter than the standard modern cassettes. To add to the fun, you'll find the names of some of the cassettes change over the years in books but not in Leica's catalogues...

Regards, David

 

[johannielscom]

Ah yes, if you want to make sure all images are in line with the sprocket holes, you might need the cardboard washer indeed, but that's about as far as adapting goes... Thanks David

 

[jcb4718]

I have found a standard cassette fits but can drop and possibly intrude into the negative. I fixed it using a thin M6 stainless steel washer (the thin washer is about 0.9mm thick I think). I attached it to the baseplate using BluTac. I squashed it down and trimmed off the excess. Provided the film wind does not 'bind' enough clearance remains. The washer has never moved and my negatives are nicely centred between the sprockets.

 

[David Hughes]

Hi,

There was a thread about fitting them a while ago but I can't find it but did find the one about old films. It's here:-

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87322

Regards, David

 

[Erik van Straten]

An interesting fact is that the format of the negative-window of my earliest camera (No 6535) is bigger than that of the later cameras: 37.3mm x 24.5mm. The space between the negatives is only about 0.5mm, so it is very difficult to cut them without cutting into the image. Has anybody an idea how I can cut them without cutting into the image?

Erik.

 

[Deleted member 65559]

An interesing fact is that the format of the negative-window of my earliest camera (No 6535) is bigger than that of the later cameras: 37.3mm x 24.5mm. The space between the negatives is only about 0.5mm, so it is very difficult to cut them without cutting into the image. Has anybody an idea how I can cut them without cutting into the image?

Erik.

No solution at my end Erik, but i noticed the same thing...

 

[CharlesDAMorgan]

Thank you, that is really helpful!