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I don't think FrankG's CL works, at least reliably.RML said:
R3A clubs CL
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Frank Granovski
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I believe my CL's in the mail from NYC. Then it'll be history. I all ready have too many cameras and lenses, and I am looking to buy more. 😎
yossarian
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Frank, I've read your accounts of the myriad problems with your CL. I bought one
from one of the group, Doug Reilly, and have really enjoyed it. Now, if it starts
acting up, this attitude will doubtless change.
But I'm glad you're so pleased with the Voigtlander. I still marvel at what Cosina
has accomplished in a relatively short period of time. And the longer they're at it,
the better any future offerings may be (imagine that!).
I keep hoping they'll re-introduce your lens (the collapsible Heliar) and make it available a la carte. I just think they could sell far more of those than the 50/2.5.
Fred
from one of the group, Doug Reilly, and have really enjoyed it. Now, if it starts
acting up, this attitude will doubtless change.
But I'm glad you're so pleased with the Voigtlander. I still marvel at what Cosina
has accomplished in a relatively short period of time. And the longer they're at it,
the better any future offerings may be (imagine that!).
I keep hoping they'll re-introduce your lens (the collapsible Heliar) and make it available a la carte. I just think they could sell far more of those than the 50/2.5.
Fred
Huck Finn
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Robin Harrison said:
It's your camera, Robin, so I assume that it offers little to you, but for some, the 40 frame lines on the 3A are impossible to see. For them, the lower magnification of the CL is a nice alternative for anyone that wants the portability that the CL offers. The 2 cameras offer 2 distinctly different modes of viewing. Horses for courses.
Huck
ferider
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Hi Frank,
sad to hear that you went from positive 7 months ago to so negative by now. It is one thing to dislike the
camera, however, and quite another one to make a global statement about German engineering.
Does the R3a fit in your pommy ? 😀
Roland.
Frank Granovski said:
Frank Granovski said:
sad to hear that you went from positive 7 months ago to so negative by now. It is one thing to dislike the
camera, however, and quite another one to make a global statement about German engineering.
Does the R3a fit in your pommy ? 😀
Roland.
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Frank Granovski
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I'd first have to go Down-Under to find me a pommy. Hopefully a good looking one free from shark bites. 😎
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Frank Granovski
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Part 2
As I mentioned earlier, the CL's film speed dial is a bitch. Let me elaborate. On the top of this dial there are a bunch of shallow groves which are intended to make for easy turning. However, the thing is almost impossible to turn! Was this dial designed this way or was this in need of repair but just over-looked each of the 3 times it went for servicing? To make matters worse, I have to use a 10X jewelers loop to see the numbers and nothing clicks into place. There is no mark to indicate where the number should be set. It's a guess at best. Sure, it feels like a nice little camera but with all its problems---including it's shoddy chammy'd shutter (louder than my R3A's)---it deserves a swift kick in the _ss. Leica should break from its tradition of pride and pretense and come clean, admitting they had screwed-up big time with their Teutonic-ally engineered CL. No wonder it got yanked so quickly. Thus the R3A clubs the CL. 😎
As I mentioned earlier, the CL's film speed dial is a bitch. Let me elaborate. On the top of this dial there are a bunch of shallow groves which are intended to make for easy turning. However, the thing is almost impossible to turn! Was this dial designed this way or was this in need of repair but just over-looked each of the 3 times it went for servicing? To make matters worse, I have to use a 10X jewelers loop to see the numbers and nothing clicks into place. There is no mark to indicate where the number should be set. It's a guess at best. Sure, it feels like a nice little camera but with all its problems---including it's shoddy chammy'd shutter (louder than my R3A's)---it deserves a swift kick in the _ss. Leica should break from its tradition of pride and pretense and come clean, admitting they had screwed-up big time with their Teutonic-ally engineered CL. No wonder it got yanked so quickly. Thus the R3A clubs the CL. 😎
Huck Finn
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Frank Granovski said:
How's the eyeglass prescription, Frank? 😀 😛
George S.
How many is enough?
Frank, I can understand how you're down on your CL, but there are other ones out there, maybe someday you can find a truly pristine example. I'll never be without one CL in my kit. Once you find a good one, you keep it. I know the meter is prone to the bouncy bounce, but the shots still come out perfect. I assume it's a problem with the display of the needle as opposed to the true figuring of exposure that the camera is doing.
I'd have to agree with you about the tiny numbers and the bitch that it is to turn. Even with my reading glasses, I have to concentrate on it for half a moment to read them. With age, the white lettering has faded quite a bit. I was just going to tell you the secret of how I turn the film speed dial, by mashing the flat part of my thumb against the whole thing and turning it that way, but I now notice it doesn't work, the dial has gotten harder to turn! Darn it Frank, I hate it when you're right. :bang: So, I stick my fingernail in the grooves, and, it turns! But now I have a cracked fingernail! :bang: :bang:
One thing, tho Frank, the film window does have a notch cut out in the middle of it, I assume that is the index mark to set the speed up against.
And I am one of those who feels that the reason it got killed so quickly, is that it ate into a large chunk of "regular" M body sales. The publicly available sales figures of the day bear this theory out. Not as big a profit for Leica in the CL as a "regular" M.
I'd have to agree with you about the tiny numbers and the bitch that it is to turn. Even with my reading glasses, I have to concentrate on it for half a moment to read them. With age, the white lettering has faded quite a bit. I was just going to tell you the secret of how I turn the film speed dial, by mashing the flat part of my thumb against the whole thing and turning it that way, but I now notice it doesn't work, the dial has gotten harder to turn! Darn it Frank, I hate it when you're right. :bang: So, I stick my fingernail in the grooves, and, it turns! But now I have a cracked fingernail! :bang: :bang:
One thing, tho Frank, the film window does have a notch cut out in the middle of it, I assume that is the index mark to set the speed up against.
And I am one of those who feels that the reason it got killed so quickly, is that it ate into a large chunk of "regular" M body sales. The publicly available sales figures of the day bear this theory out. Not as big a profit for Leica in the CL as a "regular" M.
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RML
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Frank Granovski said:
I think it was overlooked as the dial on my CL turns easily.
Even without glasses I can read the numbers on the dial, and a white stripe indicates which shutter speed I'm setting.
No idea how loud the R3A is but if it anything like my R-D1 or my Bessa R then the CL is hardly audible, even without lens (and thus open mount).
Perhaps the Leica CL sucks lemons but my Leitz Minolta CL is a gem, and no-one is going to get mine for a long time. 🙂
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Way
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frank,
Seriously, I think your CL has been really worn out. My shutter speeds are quite easy to
read and there is a very clear white mark on the body that points to what speed
is selected. You can see it clearly in my previous picture or here.
My dial also clicks solidly into place. But I almost never read the dial
because I read the meter in the vf. I'll give you that the dial is a bit difficult to
turn, though. The ASA dial is much more of a pain to turn or read but at least
you only need to do that when you change film.
Like I said, maybe you got a real beater CL. I got mine directly from Sherry and
was servced by her with a 6 month warranty. Paid a little more but I didn't
have to go through what you had to. How much has all this work ended up
costing you? I guess I would be mad too if I had to spend that much money.
But now you have your R3A. Sell you CL and enjoy takiing picture again!
Way
Seriously, I think your CL has been really worn out. My shutter speeds are quite easy to
read and there is a very clear white mark on the body that points to what speed
is selected. You can see it clearly in my previous picture or here.
My dial also clicks solidly into place. But I almost never read the dial
because I read the meter in the vf. I'll give you that the dial is a bit difficult to
turn, though. The ASA dial is much more of a pain to turn or read but at least
you only need to do that when you change film.
Like I said, maybe you got a real beater CL. I got mine directly from Sherry and
was servced by her with a 6 month warranty. Paid a little more but I didn't
have to go through what you had to. How much has all this work ended up
costing you? I guess I would be mad too if I had to spend that much money.
But now you have your R3A. Sell you CL and enjoy takiing picture again!
Way
Frank Granovski said:
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Way
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Holy cow, frank. Just noticed that you've got more than 1600 posts here
since Oct. 2005. You gotta go out more often!
Way
since Oct. 2005. You gotta go out more often!
Way
ferider
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Frank Granovski said:
Really tired of your ethnic comments, Frank.
😡
I am sure there are other Germans beside me on RFF.
Roland.
Huck Finn
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ferider said:
Roland, one doesn't have to be German to find such comments annoying & out of place. 😡
Huck
vincentbenoit
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I'm not German, but I've had enough of it, too.ferider said:
Frank, you've just been added to my Ignore List.
Vincent
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"As I mentioned earlier, the CL's film speed dial is a bitch. Let me elaborate. On the top of this dial there are a bunch of shallow groves which are intended to make for easy turning. However, the thing is almost impossible to turn! Was this dial designed this way or was this in need of repair but just over-looked each of the 3 times it went for servicing?"
LOL, This is a classic problem inexperienced users of CL's have because they dont realise that the silver film speed part with groves HAS to be PRESSED IN to the camera body and turned at the same time. People seem to wonder why its tough to turn without pressing it in first. There is nothing wrong Frank your just not using it right. Press the silver bit like a button you will see thats its spring loaded. Press and turn thats the key NOT turn it alone.
LOL, This is a classic problem inexperienced users of CL's have because they dont realise that the silver film speed part with groves HAS to be PRESSED IN to the camera body and turned at the same time. People seem to wonder why its tough to turn without pressing it in first. There is nothing wrong Frank your just not using it right. Press the silver bit like a button you will see thats its spring loaded. Press and turn thats the key NOT turn it alone.
enochRoot
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Way said:
i think hearing frank bitch about his CL is really REALLY worn out. get rid of it and shut the hell up if you hate it so much. :bang:
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Frank Granovski
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It's okay. The lenses are made in Italy and my frames are made in Germany. 😎
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