R3m Gas

[Chris Lynch]

it would be super cool if the r4's meter display could switch between the r3m's and r3a's style depending on what exposure mode you were on.

hehe already talking about the R4.....

 

[julianphotoart]

Well, I DON'T have an R2/3A but DO have a nice 4 day old R3M. Basically, the exposure display in the viewfinder is so in sync with how I think and use a camera that it's as easy as having AE mode. So no need for an R2/3A. I did a long-winded thread about the R3M this past Monday.

 

[ampguy]

just curious

just curious

where would one be where batteries aren't available, or able to stuff a couple of years worth in a camera bag or jacket pocket?

a two body kit, with the R3M complementing the R3A, is not a bad idea, particularly if you anticipate being in situations where batteries are hard to get

 

[Dougg]

I guess the definition of GAS is getting something *in spite of* not being able to justify it 😉

In your case, however, I don't understand the desire. What does the R3M give you that the R3a doesn't? How often did you have to change batteries over the last year?

Philipp

Justifications are funny things aren't they? 😀 They overcome the restrictions of logic... There are those who hesitate to buy a camera without a built-in meter, many who dislike or won't admit to liking AE, and those who avoid a battery-dependent camera. I'm sure it's possible to hold these preferences all at once, yet there are no new cameras with battery-free meters. Does that interfere with GAS attacks? No way! 🙂

 

[Flyfisher Tom]

where would one be where batteries aren't available, or able to stuff a couple of years worth in a camera bag or jacket pocket?

Do people read the entire thread before quoting anymmore 🙄

For decades, many photogs traditionally carried a Fm2 or Fm2n as a battery-independent backup. Why don't you ask them where they are such that batteries aren't available 😉 In war zones, on hikes, in areas of poor nations where you are more likely to find a bottle of Coke than a battery ... who knows.

Besides, if you read the rest of the posts on the prior page, you'd see I was giving our friend a GAS excuse/justification 😀

cheers

 

[Flyfisher Tom]

If you already have the R3A, I would only get the R3M if you anticipate the need to have a battery-free body. Do you ? 😉 Otherwise, you're really not getting much that is new in terms of features. If anything you're obviously losing AE.

Or do you want it simply as a second body (which is easier to justify GAS-wise 🙂

For instance, did you read my first post, the one directly ABOVE and BEFORE the one you quoted 😛

 

[Stephanie Brim]

I'll be getting an R2M sometime next year regardless of whether or not I sell the Canon P sometime soon. I find myself wanting to experiment with one lens in particular in the CV line...I'll give you three guesses as to which and the first two don't count. 😉

 

[Flyfisher Tom]

35 1.2 nokton ?

 

[Fred]

A second body is always useful for many reasons, for instance if you shoot different film (colour and monochrome negative or slide) certainly thats why I have two M mount RFs. One being manual and mechanical should make no difference really, certainly when I'm out with my Bessa R (or L) I'm not 'that' much slower in shooting but I do set the aperture first and adjust the speeds to expose (harder with the L) whilst focussing. Takes a little practice..

So IMHO, go and get it, I'll not go on about alternatives or running out of batteries

 

[ampguy]

Hi Tom

Hi Tom

I only read posts in threads randomly 😀

So folks can carry loads of film but can't squeeze an extra battery anywhere? That must be one hell of a hike 😀

For instance, did you read my first post, the one directly ABOVE and BEFORE the one you quoted 😛

 

[Tom Diaz]

Hi Tom,

Any other difference you've observed? I understand the rewind crank is a bit different, anything else? thanks

You have also probably read that the black paint finish is very nice, kind of like the Zeiss Ikon's. True! Although that's not a huge bonus, it looks great. Stephen Gandy threw in a nice leather case for an extra $1, which I appreciate!

It's just what you would expect: an all-mechanical sister of the R2A/R3A. If you shoot on metered manual a lot anyway (which I do), then it seems very natural. Really, though, I would have just bought the lens if it had been available, and I'd have been happy enough. I would definitely recommend the combination to someone who was buying a first rangefinder.

 

[Abbazz]

I'll be getting an R2M sometime next year regardless of whether or not I sell the Canon P sometime soon. I find myself wanting to experiment with one lens in particular in the CV line...I'll give you three guesses as to which and the first two don't count. 😉

Steph,

Of course, I don't count the Collapsible Heliar f/2.0 50mm that you will get with your R2M. Here are my 3 guesses:

Aspherical Ultra Wide Heliar f/5.6 12mm
Aspherical Nokton f/1.2 35mm
Color Heliar f/2.5 75mm

Abbazz

 

[Chris Lynch]

You have also probably read that the black paint finish is very nice, kind of like the Zeiss Ikon's. True! Although that's not a huge bonus, it looks great. Stephen Gandy threw in a nice leather case for an extra $1, which I appreciate!

It's just what you would expect: an all-mechanical sister of the R2A/R3A. If you shoot on metered manual a lot anyway (which I do), then it seems very natural. Really, though, I would have just bought the lens if it had been available, and I'd have been happy enough. I would definitely recommend the combination to someone who was buying a first rangefinder.

Tom, you are aware that you -can- get the Heliar all by itself, right? I just got a solo Black R3M from CQ, and i'm in love. I love the finish, i love the feel, and i love the finder.

 

[Tom Diaz]

Tom, you are aware that you -can- get the Heliar all by itself, right? I just got a solo Black R3M from CQ, and i'm in love. I love the finish, i love the feel, and i love the finder.

Well, I'll be! No, I was not aware! I have just gotten back from a long vacation. Also, I was one of the people who put a deposit on the R2M/Heliar set and took it as soon as Mr. Gandy got them, to be sure I had it in time for my trip. How long has the Heliar been available by itself? At $549 it is a very nice deal, I think. I am not a professional/technical lens tester but would recommend it at that price, based on my first few results. It certainly is nicely made and feels good in the hands, as does the camera.

My Heliar's lens hood (the standard one) has its first battle scar, too: it was pecked by an ostrich when I got close enough to be in range.

 

[Chris Lynch]

i've certainly been re-thinking the Heliar, that's for sure- i've read many nice things about it, and it sure would go with the small/tight package of the Bessa nicely.

 

[kshapero]

I want it, I want it.:bang::bang::bang:😕
No Money, No Money........ Whew! I feel better now.

 

[Dougg]

Classic GAS attack! Likely to resurface until you find a way to squeeze the budget to exude the necessary funds... 😉

 

[kshapero]

I squeezed it. I am so anal that I must have the manual only R3M, so now the R3A must go to preserve maritial bliss. Shot about 30 rolls. No scratches, no nothing. Like new in box includes manual, everything. Check it out at : http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtr2ar3a.htm. Includes a really cool Wrist Strap and shoulder strap. I recommend this with the CV 40mm, works beautifully. see: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost-classifieds/showproduct.php?product=1452

 

[sirius]

I like the concept of the R3M but if you like to shoot WA it is problematic with the different viewfinder.

 

[Chris Lynch]

that's what the 2M is for haha (well, even it's not very wide)