Rangefinder Photography Book 2.. on sale now

Joe just about said what I intended to say. I'd like to add that I'm very impressed with the quality of photos assembled. We have some pretty talented people here, and I'm working on being one of 'em.
Thanks to all that worked so hard to put the book together, I tip my hat to you.
Randal Dean
aka
KZ
 
Got mine Saturday, overall the book looks great. Everyone who contributed did a fantastic job, nice shots from everyone!

Mine has a slight purple cast on some of the B&W photos but it's very inconsistent (mine came out fine, photos two pages before and after have a cast, others don't). The color shots look just fine to me. I've seen books at the bookstore which have this problem too (not many, but a few). I think I can live with it to say I'm published. :D
 
Got mine today. Great bit of collective work. I noticed a bit of a purplish cast to a few of the images. Perhaps they were taken with B/W C41? Haven't had time to check, but the answer is probably not.

Ted
 
tedwhite said:
Got mine today. Great bit of collective work. I noticed a bit of a purplish cast to a few of the images. Perhaps they were taken with B/W C41? Haven't had time to check, but the answer is probably not.

Ted
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Mine was, I have to admit I didn't even look at the film specs for anyone else's.
 
Just got my copy today. Again, congratulations to everybody involved.

But (and that's a big but), I have to say the print quality is abysmal. All b&w photos have a clearly visible purple cast and generally look flat and lifeless. The colour ones are not much better. A cheap bottom level inkjet printer would give better results. Yes, it's that bad.
I also got Book 1 as soon as it was published and the print quality was lightyears ahead.
Let's just hope that I was unlucky to get a really bad copy and that the print quality is much better for the majority. Sorry, but Lulu has really fouled up here.
 
How about the experiecnes of people who ordered later instead of trying to be the first to order? Is there a bad purple cast in your copies? Is it only in the first "batch" and no longer (or much less) in copies that were ordered later?
 
My images were shot on B&W film, not C-41, and they have the purplish tint. About the same as I used to get from my Canon i950, which I replaced for that reason.
It seems to me that the darker the image, the less purple you have. I don't have the book in front of me, but the shot of the Cadillac dashboard looks fine, but there's a seascape that would be beautiful if not for that tint.
Someone suggested duotone for the next book, I would agree with that if the greyscale thing can't be resolved.
 
iDude said:
A cheap bottom level inkjet printer would give better results. Yes, it's that bad.
I also got Book 1 as soon as it was published and the print quality was lightyears ahead.
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There were a few photos that did turn out ok, but I hear you. Sounds like Lulu's outsourced solution fouled-up. Brett, I believe, has already let Lulu know of these issues. I don't know where his thread is...

Krasnaya_Zvezda said:
My images were shot on B&W film, not C-41, and they have the purplish tint.
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My B&W image was shot on C-41, and it's purple on my book copy.

There are two other threads discussing this issue ("the purple tint"). I don't know why, but can't find them (yet)...
 
I ordered my copy on day 1 and it just arrived today. I've taken a brief look through it and am proud to be in the company of such fine photographers. The images are really excellent. The purple cast doesn't bother me particularly. It looks somewhat like selenium toning. Print quality is way better than publications like SHOTS!

I'm looking forward to a leisurely enjoyment of the book.

Gene
 
iDude said:
I have to say the print quality is abysmal. All b&w photos have a clearly visible purple cast and generally look flat and lifeless. The colour ones are not much better. A cheap bottom level inkjet printer would give better results. Yes, it's that bad.
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Same here. I'm asking Lulu for a return.

Vincent
 
at this point, I would encourage everyone who is disappointed to do the same.. Lulu has not followed up on my inquiry about the printing quality as they promised, and so far have not responded to my attempts to resolve the issue.. my opinion is that they shield themselves from printing issues by making themselves very difficult to contact, and offer no definitive procedure to fix problems

perhaps if we all demand refunds/replacements, they will take notice
 
JoeFriday said:
perhaps if we all demand refunds/replacements, they will take notice
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As eager as I am to order a copy (rather enjoyed Book #1), I'm holding out until it sounds like they've more or less resolved this issue. I realize that at their prices it's not reasonable to expect absolutely perfect printing, however, this book isn't exactly dirt cheap either.....
 
gabrielma said:
My B&W image was shot on C-41, and it's purple on my book copy.
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I was in the printing industry, so let me give it a try...

General Printing use CMYK, not RGB to mix a colour range.

If it is a true grey scale image, and if the printer use digitial workflow aka CTP (Computer to Plate), then that area should only be in the K zine plate (Black).

There should be nothing in any other plates.

So, since there are only K ink (Black), there are no other ink to mix any colour.


Joe, Did you send the files in CMYK or in RGB format?

(again, with CTP) A print have to convert any RGB files to CMYK files, so they can seperate it, into a file for the C plate, M plate etc...

If they are converted, there are always some issues, but mostly concern with colour, ie, what came out in CMYK (digitial proofing or manually printed proofing, with actual zine plate; or production prints) might not match RGB proofings.

Cheers




Will
 
Will, they aren't printing on a press.. the standard 4-color system isn't being implemented in a true sense

I've been designing books, brochures, catalogs, packaging and whatnot for 15 years, and I'm pretty familiar with the PMS and CMYK printing systems

Lulu is outputting these files onto an iGen color laser printer.. the printer itself is CMYK based, but Lulu insists that the files be in RGB format in order to avoid conflicting color profiles.. the iGen system is capable of converting the RGB images to CMYK on the fly, and if it's anything like my DocuColor system in my office, the output is nearly indistinguishable

I've confirmed that the PDF that I designed is done to Lulu's specifications, and outputs very nicely on my own CMYK equipment.. the problem clearly lies with Lulu's equipment, or more likely, their printing personnel (altho they actually don't do any of the printing themselves)

again, there is no plate being generated.. it's all done on a glorified color copier/printer.. but it still should be producing consistent output, which is definitely not the case, given the varying reports we've been getting
 
Got my book today and whilst there is a purple tinge to the mono stuff it does vary. What does not is the quality which does not look like book one.

I'm still pleased I bought it, being 'over the pond' return will be costly so I'll hang on to it. It's a good record of the hard work from those involved and I can 'guess' the stununing quality of most of the images.

I still like to thank Brett, Rover and all the others who on the whole turned out a cracking design. Thanks all.
 
Aarrgh. I got mine today. I was one of the first to order (I think). The tint is pretty bad, I can see it on every image, even the color. I'm going to try for a return. Bummer.


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Well, I will have to agree that there is a purple tint on the black and white images. The print quality is fine, but not great. I figured it was just par for the course. In any case, I ordered book 1 with book 2, and they both seem to have the same print quality and purple cast. Do earlier copies of book 1 have a purplish cast? If the first book was much better when it was originally printed, then perhaps a reprint is in order. After all, how many copies have been bought? Even if it is only 100, that is still 3783 dollars of business that they screwed up and they should be responsible for it.
 
JoeFriday said:
avoid conflicting color profiles

it's all done on a glorified color copier/printer.. but it still should be producing consistent output, which is definitely not the case, given the varying reports we've been getting
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Oh, that's out of my league, I was in to CMYK....

Did the publisher approve the proofs or the printer?
 
Got my copy today. I have to say that the shots and layout are great. However, there is definately a tint on the images, even a noticiable stripe where the images tend to be more noticably purple. Even better, probably the worst page in the book is on my better shot! Ouch. :bang:
 
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