RFF Challenging The Net

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This is going from Larry Moe and Curly to Jerry Uelsmann - bad surrealism. I don't believe any of the so-called "hooligans" are against gear talk. I certainly am not against gear talk. where have I or any of the hooligans said that?

Btw, "hooligan" I am ok with; "British"...por favor!!!!!! :D
 
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FrankS said:
It seems that some are motivated to post by their egos, and display their superiority and genius by attempting to put down others.
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That's not a very honourable thing to say, Frank; those words could be interpreted as being equally arrogant. ;)
 
Ruben- it's hard to take views seriously when a thread is given such a "Grandiose and Earth Shattering Title" such as "RFF Challenging the Net." It's about like Al Gore announcing that he invented the Internet. Well, Al invented it and now RFF is going to push it to the brink. Al Gore opened himself up to a lot of ridicule by that utterly absurd statement. To think that "RFF is Challenging the Net" to me is equally absurd. It's a Small Forum with a few hundred active members that like to play with and use archaic photographic technology that uses Parallax to focus the lens. We're talking real high-tech here. That applies to an Leica M8 or a Contax I. Due to whatever personality flaws that draws us to using pitifully obsolete equipment, it binds us together on this forum.

We've seen some "artists" that have attacked and ridiculed anyone for talking about gear. Those types are easily defused. Usually their work is "the Emperor's New Clothes". Nothing to look at.

Most true photographers are going to show some respect to others. But to start threads like this one, with it's title, is over the top. It will invite ridicule.
 
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If you double click on my avatar and look after the threads I have opened, you will find I think a variety of interests ...

Cheers,
Ruben
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Look in the mirror Ruben.
I did as you suggested above and what did I find?

You are the OP of over half a dozen closed threads in the recent past. Does that not tell you anything?
 
GEAR TALK on the internet

That term brings to mind: "I want a camera, do i get a Canon or Nikon"? Or, "Someone said I should try a prime, but my 18-350mm f/5.0 lens already does it all, what gives? Or how about the ever popular weekly ice breaker, "Canon sucks, Nikon rocks".
 
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Brian Sweeney said:
Ruben- it's hard to take views seriously when a thread is given such a "Grandiose and Earth Shattering Title" such as "RFF Challenging the Net." It's about like Al Gore announcing that he invented the Internet. Well, Al invented it and now RFF is going to push it to the brink. Al Gore opened himself up to a lot of ridicule by that utterly absurd statement. To think that "RFF is Challenging the Net" to me is equally absurd. It's a Small Forum with a few hundred active members that like to play with and use archaic photographic technology that uses Parallax to focus the lens. We're talking real high-tech here. That applies to an Leica M8 or a Contax I. Due to whatever personality flaws that draws us to using pitifully obsolete equipment, it binds us together on this forum.

We've seen some "artists" that have attacked and ridiculed anyone for talking about gear. Those types are easily defused. Usually their work is "the Emperor's New Clothes". Nothing to look at.

Most true photographers are going to show some respect to others. But to start threads like this one, with it's title, is over the top. It will invite ridicule.
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I do agree Brian, the thread title is not accurate. But its direction is, and those who ridiculized themselves in public at this thread did it for opposing the RFF related contents, not because of the title of the thread.

Picket took honest issue debating my o.p. about photography. He did it with an elaborated argumentation.

A more accurate title should read something indicating the growing impact of RFF within internet photographic oriented people, sites and forums.

I do understand and symphatize with your desire for RFF stability. I just do not think we will achieve it by difussing understanding, but through visual sharpness.

You yourself have had along the years a tremendous tech input which has become part of our richness. I don't feel tired enough to cross my arms when a high rank nobody comes and spits on it, under ridiculization of "gear talk".

Cheers,
Ruben
 
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>>>"There is an ongoing recent thread, called internet forums vs. creativity & improvement, somehow trying to defend RFF right for free gear speech, and perhaps the USA constitution, so to speak...."

Ruben,
Don't you think your original post belonged in that thread? Why open a parallel thread trying to cover the very same issues. your thoughts belonged in that thread, so all the hijacking/hooliganism/ and surrealism is understanable to an extent, don't you think?
 
FrankS said:
It seems that some are motivated to post by their egos, and display their superiority and genius by attempting to put down others.
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Some of us are motivated to put a mirror in front of others' incoherent, fallaced self-righteousness (aka Pontification). When they get so utterly "bothered" (a cultural reference, in Queen's English), they don't realize they are getting bothered at their alter ego.

Not everything you disagree with is Evyl

Oh, the Hooliganism.
 
Gabriel M.A. said:
Some of us are motivated to put a mirror in front of others' incoherent, fallaced self-righteousness (aka Pontification). When they get so utterly "bothered" (a cultural reference, in Queen's English), they don't realize they are getting bothered at their alter ego.

Not everything you disagree with is Evyl

Oh, the Hooliganism.
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I'm convinced that is true, and believe everybody's reality lays between what they think themselves to be and what others think of them. The problems arise when one fails to recognise their own reflection from the group
 
My '72 Mustang could do 62 in First Gear and not blow the Engine.

But My Brother's 67 Cougar could burn rubber in all four gears. He dropped a 390 with twin quads in it. Had to drill out the firewall to change the spark plugs.
 
"once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more..."

"once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more..."

i think ruben is a mensch...with a heart of pure quiotic gold.

he is also an israeli's israeli - expressed as a well-meant compliment.

as for the "british stadium hoolygans: thank you - for some - of the included wit/sarcasm/humor/non-sense/irreverence/taunting/etc. i haven't laughed so much or so well in some time (been going through a somewhat cheerless time). as i like to say "moderation in all things, especially moderation" - when it comes to expressing or responding to the views of others we disagree with (i do not extend that line of thought to perpetrators of violence and abuse against children, the elderly, or animals - and to innocents everywhere).

long live RFF where diversity and individuality have a meeting place.

for me, the content of the original posting has me wondering if the idea got lost in the translation or the semantics of it or if it's just my fuzzy headedness. portions of it make sense and i agree with...and others, well...glub, glub, glub -aarrrggghhh- water getting too deep for me.

so, in spite of that or because of that i say - ruben: keep tilting at windmills!!! :)

kenneth
NEVER FORGET BESLAN
www.neverforgetbeslan.org (under construction)

p.s. i'd love to hear what mark twain would have thought of all of this.
 
Another with the rebuilt 1953 J-3, wide-open at F1.5.

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I got as greasy rebuilding this one as I did working on the Mustang.
 
She looks like a potential hooligan! Was that shot with a 35mm lens?



I want to talk about gear!

EDIT: Oh... now I see from another thread that the J-8 was 52mm. I didn't know the seycret code before reading the other thread.
 
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I'm an FSU Hooligan!

Sorry: The Jupiter-3 is a 5cm F1.5 lens. This one from 1953 is the best I've used. It required full-lube job, the helical to be repositioned in the mount to focus to infinity, "shim Job", and glass to be pulled from the mount and cleaned. Took about as long as the points, plugs, and oil on the Mustang. The Mustang was faster at 135MPH. The Speedometer went past the 120 mark and pointed straight down at the Little Horsey. I called it "Horsey Speed".

The J-3 will be going to Disneyworld on the Bessa R2. I take longer to decide on cameras for a vacation than Nina and Nikki take to decide on clothes.

And Ruben did get his hands dirty with the Kiev's. Sad to see him go Digital. Get tired of Archaic Technology?

Tomorrow I'm sending a Contax II with a CZJ 5cm F2 Sonnar on it to a "Real Photographer". His work is amazing, and he appreciates classic equipment. He gave me some prints taken with his M8 for my Lab as a gift. The camera seems like a fitting return gift.
 
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