seeking out your thoughts...

alignment is fine.

the zm 25 cuts deep in to the lower right corner.
it's usable, like the zi finder is usable, just a different kind of not quite perfect.
 
i just ordered...

4 lenses, all black...
15/4.5
21/4 (old style with finder)
28/3.5
35/2.5 (classic)
4 ltm adapters

this should do it.

joe
 
back alley said:
the r4m is here!
just arrived!
i didn't think they delivered after 4.

joe
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Hey Joe,
Didn't you have 2 ZI bodies? Does it mean that you'll be selling one, now that you got new Bessa?

OOps - never mind - I just found your post where you said you sold a black ZI. Didn't think you'd do it. Have fun with your Bessa. Show some results here.
 
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foto_fool said:
But then I could not muster the gumption to lay out for a ZM Biogn, much less an Elmarit. So I split the difference - KEH is sending me a 21/2.8 Biogon for my Contax G.

I'm wondering if I'm going to end up wanting to chew my arm off to get away in the morning. - John
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John, I think the 21mm G lens is a good solution, as you get a fast and truly great 21 for a bargain price... Indeed this is what I did too! In addition to the benefits just mentioned, this combination, I figured, partly/mostly avoids the same two-viewfinder problem the Bessa R4 addresses, in that the Zeiss accessory viewfinder has centered crosshairs to pinpoint the AF spot so you rarely need to use the body VF at all.

Joe I see you’ve made your move quickly, but... With the Bessa R4 body, seems to me a nice kit would be the 35, 25, and a 21... maybe the coming Biogon f/4.5, all Zeiss Biogons for a consistent look. :) Well, enjoy the goodies!
 
back alley said:
i just ordered...

4 lenses, all black...
15/4.5
21/4 (old style with finder)
28/3.5
35/2.5 (classic)
4 ltm adapters

this should do it.

joe
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Wow!!!!

By next weekend you should be done-ish again.
 
i just ordered...

4 lenses, all black...
15/4.5
21/4 (old style with finder)
28/3.5
35/2.5 (classic)
4 ltm adapters

this should do it
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"this should do it" - a master of the understatement there :D

But a great choice - I hope you enjoy them.
 
back alley said:
noel, i never had a 12.
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Joe

Exactly my point given you are M/LTM the 12mm is exactly like 5e*, you wont miss it until your try...

Have you ever thought about hiring that woupd save you Ca$, i.e. the 12mm?

Noel
 
i think the 12 would be pretty tough to learn to use really well.
i expect to be challanged by the 15 but i'm ready for it.

joe
 
>>My lecturer at Leica School many years ago said that "he could teach us to use the equipment, to develop and print the pictures, but could not teach us to "see" a picture," you either could or you could not.<<

That's not good advice. The classic rules of composition are straightforward and easily taught, as are the concepts of peak action and decisive moments. I once taught a class of 5th and 6th graders photography, and they were surprisingly good at the end of the year. Learning photography is mainly about learning a visual language instead of an accoustic or written language. And all language is teachable.
 
Good for you Joe- I think that seeing them all in action is the way to go. You'll know in a few months which ones work for what you see and which ones don't. Plus you may start seeing things a little differently with that 15. Play and learn. That's half the fun ain't it? I briefly had the Nikon 15/3.5 Ais and it really is a whole other way of seeing things. Got a few really good things, but found it wasn't in the bag all that often after a while. It just didn't fit with what I was looking at. 20 & 24 did, and 21 still does- and I find that I'm missing a 25 in my current line-up. Don't miss the 15 tho. Looking through your gallery again I suspect the 15 may find a permanent place in your bag- but without it being there you'd never know.

Have a blast!
 
VinceC said:
>>My lecturer at Leica School many years ago said that "he could teach us to use the equipment, to develop and print the pictures, but could not teach us to "see" a picture," you either could or you could not.<<

That's not good advice. The classic rules of composition are straightforward and easily taught, as are the concepts of peak action and decisive moments. I once taught a class of 5th and 6th graders photography, and they were surprisingly good at the end of the year. Learning photography is mainly about learning a visual language instead of an accoustic or written language. And all language is teachable.
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He used the word "see" not compose, you can most certainly teach composition. you have to "see" the posibility of a picture first before you can compose it!
I'll leave it there!!:rolleyes:
 
He used the word "see" not compose, you can most certainly teach composition. you have to "see" the posibility of a picture first before you can compose it!
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I disagree - I think it's a circular thing, and seeing and composition complement and reinforce each other. Learning about composition certainly helped me to see picture possibilities better, so that seeing and composing are now two aspects of the same event for me and it's impossible to separate them.
 
I just recieved my CV 28/3.5. It is a perfect fit on the R4M. Along with the CV 35/2.5 and the CV 21/4 (old version), this will complete* my wide angle kit. My 15 has taken more or less permanent residence on a Bessa L.

*that new CV 25/4 does look tempting.

Mike
 
good to hear mike as that will be my exact kit when it arrives.
the 15 will have to be used with the external finder and will be part of the r4 kit though i will likely try it on the zi as well.

joe
 
oscroft said:
I think it's a circular thing, and seeing and composition complement and reinforce each other.
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Maybe. If there IS the ability to "see" at all. If not, it can't get reinforced by learning composition rules:D

bertram
 
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