sell me on the Hasselblad 80mm f2.8 planar

I am very fortunate. I have a Pentax 6x7 with 45, 105 & 150 and a 501 with 80 Planar. I use them interchangeably and enjoy the photos from both systems. Naturally the extra lenses with Pentax add versatility.
I have owned 4 different medium format cameras: Mamiya C220/105mm, Rapid Omega/90mm, Pentax 6x7/105mm (twice) and the Hasselblad/80mm. All have worked for me.
When I get to a computer, I'll dig out some Planar & Takumar photos in my LUG gallery.

Wayne
 
I'll put it to you this way... My Hassy 500 and 80/2.8 is the ONLY camera / lens i own that will never be sold or traded out.

here are a couple from me.

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While I much prefer the Hasselblad V series as a camera, I probably like the draw of MF Pentax lenses better. The simple and plain SMC 75mm for the 645 always impresses me considering the price they can be had for.
Strangely I find the opposite true for 135 lenses, though.

Very much personal preference.

But, since you asked for it, here are a few recent 80mm CF shots, for whatever they're worth. Two of the three are wide open, the first one was probably f5.6

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redisburning said:
well, I am no lens engineer so I will have to use an analogy to get this across since it's more of an instinctual thing.

if I were to cook two hamburgers on a grill and one was a light color on the outside but cooked perfectly throughout, and I had one that was maybe just a touch too rare or too done but had a nice char on the outside, I would prefer the latter.

I guess, and I will probably make an idiot out of myself for saying this since it's pure conjecture, but I suspect the Pentax 105 has a shorter and coarser transition to OoF. Certainly, to me, I have so far liked the shots displaying that transition from the Pentax better than that's one of my favorite things in a shot.

But, I'm crazy and like the 50/3.5 Zuiko macro for exactly that reason and most people think it's bokeh is terrible.

If I were going to shoot against backdrops or very, very shallow DoF where everything behind the subject is blown I probably wouldn't care and would get the smaller camera.

Still interested in seeing more shots.
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I didn't quite get the hamburger metaphor but I think I know what you mean with your reference to the Pentax lens. I've never used a Pentax 67 seriously but from what I've seen it does indeed look like it 'pops' a bit more. It's also a bit more contrasty IMO.
The Hasselblad lenses are very smooth in their transitions from in to out of focus and also in regards to colors. That's what I like most about them and it's the main reason I use them. I had a Bessa III for a while that was sharp as hell but I didn't like the look I got with it.

If you prefer the Pentax then get the Pentax. It's cheaper and it's certainly a nice system.
 
Jamie123 said:
I didn't quite get the hamburger metaphor ...
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I understood it. I would choose the other burger. All that means is that we all have our own taste and metrics. "Convincing" someone of why we like something and why they should like the same is futile. Generally that question comes pre-loaded with an expected answer. That may not be the case here, IDK for sure. The OP (and each one of us) needs to identify the equipment that allows us to take good pictures. I suppose this is one way to discern that.
 
the fundamental question of this thread is NOT "is the 80.28 a good lens?"

I am asking so I can determine which of two nice lenses will be a better buy for me.

have I decided? no, not yet. I'll wait until next week to get some of that "new camera blindness" out.
 
I had the Pentax 67. The IQ with the 105mm lens was fantastic. But the camera was a brick, and I got tired of the weight and size. And the battery dies without warning, causing the mirror to hang up in mid-cycle, and you lose the shot.

Also: my tailor once told me to have three blue blazers: one in the closet, one in the car, and one at the cleaners (you don't have to wear it, he explained). The pentax 67 is like that: One to shoot with; one in the repair shop; and one as a backup to use when the first one is ready for the repair shop.

These are the reasons I shoot with a Hasselblad today. As a wide-angle guy, I use the 60, 50, and 40 more than the 80. But I do use the 80.
 
IMO the biggest difference between the Hasselblad and Pentax 67 are the ergonomics of the body, not in how the lenses render an image. I suggest that Red pick up and handle both cameras, shoot a roll of film with each, then decide between the 2.
 
Rob,

Ive heard about that. Fortunately this is for personal use and wont be a travel camera so I will let IQ carry the day.

Gumby,

yes I will wait a bit. I am also considering a 3.5 rolleiflex and the close-up thing but I think I would like more than 1 lens for this. And I wouldn't mind a prism, either.

Frank,

I live on a lake and so the camera will be my plaything here. I wont be carting this around town, lol
 
Seems like you really know what you need, and just need some more images to sell you on the lens 😀
Hope you'll be happy with whatever system you end up with.
 
Wayne,

I actually have a project in mind that I want to do on MF (oh dear, me do anything other than bulls*** around?) but it would be car based, tripod mounted and local. I meant that I will not be carrying it around town with me to take happy snaps.

edit: not sure what I was talking about there.
 
In order to sell you on the lens, I'd have to sell you on the Hasselblad body. And I can't do that. I sold my 503CW and kept the Mamiya RZ67. I much prefer the bellows focussing and the AE finder. It's a brick, but it just worked better for me.
 
redisburning said:
Wayne,

I actually have a project in mind that I want to do on MF (oh dear, me do anything other than bulls*** around?) but it would be car based, tripod mounted and local. I meant that I will not be carrying it around town with me to take happy snaps.

edit: not sure what I was talking about there.
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Interesting. Different strokes for different folks. While I own more tripods than MF cameras, I have always used MF first in the hand. Then on a tripod as needed. Shucks, I didn't even own a tripod when I had the C220 TLR.

A nit to pick with the 80mm Planar & 105mm Takumar: Neither focuses very close. The Pentax extensions tubes have been most handy with my first Pentax 6x7 & the current version.

My Backyard. Page 4. Pentax and Planar mixed. HLR-Hass-1 thru 4 are obviously the Planar.

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/venchka/backyard/?g2_page=4

Page 5. The snow pictures were made with the Pentax 6x7, 150mm lens & no meter. I suck at eyeballing exposure. I was testing my new split image ground glass. A MUST HAVE for the Pentax 6x7. One HUGE advantage of the newer Hasselblads is the nice bright ground glass and split image focusing aid.

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/venchka/backyard/?g2_page=5

Bottom line:
You can get more stuff for a given dollar amount with the Pentax 6x7.
The Hasselblad is light years ahead of the Pentax on a tripod. The leaf shutter is silent. Mirrors are equal when you trip the mirror lock up on both.
I really prefer the eye level viewing of the Pentax. Probably due to more decades of eye level cameras versus limited waist level viewing. There are times when one viewing system gets the shot over the other. The closer you get to the ground, the Hasselblad wins. Shooting high on the tripod the Pentax wins. You can purchase a waist level finder for the Pentax.
Changing film in mid-roll. Duh.
The 45mm & 55mm (last version) Takumar lenses are stunning and dirt cheap.

Gruene, TX. Pentax 6x7. Mostly 45mm lens.

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/venchka/backroads/Gruene+TX/

Giddings, TX. Color = Hasselblad + 80mm lens. B&W = Pentax 6x7 + 45mm lens.

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/venchka/backroads/Giddings/

Montgomery, Texas. Color: Pentax & 150mm. B&W: Hasselblad.

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/venchka/backroads/montgomery/

Like I said earlier, I use and like both systems. One system compliments the other. If I had to pick one, I would keep the Pentax 6x7 because of the extra lenses. If the lens inventory were reversed, I would keep the Hasselblad.
Enjoy!

Wayne
 
venchka said:
Hmmmmmm...
Every MF camera that I have owned has gone everwhere with me. Around Europe. Around the Rockies. Around the rural South. Around Texas. Otherwise, what is the point?
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Me too. But it has been a Rollei TLR that was the traveling camera and the Hasselblad that was "the portraiture camera"... which didn't travel quite as much. If traveling by car I always take the Hassy and tripod(s) but when traveling by air I opt for hte lighter Rollei and a monopod.
 
well, regarding the hamburger example... i would go for the ribeye 😛
But hey, if you're happy with some hamburger stuff, go for it...make the best out of it.

I have no hasselblad. I could post some shots from my ribeye, but that's off topic i guess.
 
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