Shooting Eastman (Double-X) 5222 in the Leica

I bought some HP5+ Cine film about 10 years ago ( 400' to a package). If I remember correctly that was about the last time the Ilford products were marketed as Cine film. It was very good, less contrast then regular HP5+, probably because it was a cine film and it had a stronger color (Grey) but you could scan or print right through the color.

Leo
 
I'm drying four folls of XX I processed in Gordon Hutching's PMK Pyro+. As expected, this older retro emulsion responded exactly as I had hoped. It "stains" beautifully, incredibly sharp, fantastic high values, almost a "Kodachrome" -etched- look to the developed XX emulsion. A georgeous combination, will try to get some scans up on our Flickr page soon. I think a have a new standard developer for my XX, and it should be great with my Cine +X 5231, as well.

Need to buy some more Amidol, I'm out now.
 
This has probably been asked before but.....

I believe 5321 and 5222 are slightly thicker than normal 35mm film. Will 5.5 foot of film fit in a "snap cap" re-loadable cassette?
 
mgd711 said:
I believe 5321 and 5222 are slightly thicker than normal 35mm film. Will 5.5 foot of film fit in a "snap cap" re-loadable cassette?
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Yes, the film base seems to be a bit thicker with XX. I have over a hundred of the Kodak Snap-Caps, that's what I use myself. No problems at all so far, I use TomA's "stretch out a length" in the dark, and roll it up. Quite easy to do, works great, no loader required. Just a 400' can of the film, tape, scissors (in back pocket) and roll 'em up. I get 35-38 exposures this way.
 
I'd really like to try some of this but not necessarily order a 400' roll. Would anyone be willing to sell me 5 or so loaded Double-X canisters and send them to Australia?

$8 per roll for your troubles!
 
Nokton48 said:
Yes, the film base seems to be a bit thicker with XX. I have over a hundred of the Kodak Snap-Caps, that's what I use myself. No problems at all so far, I use TomA's "stretch out a length" in the dark, and roll it up. Quite easy to do, works great, no loader required. Just a 400' can of the film, tape, scissors (in back pocket) and roll 'em up. I get 35-38 exposures this way.
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Thanks.

If your getting 36 to 38 shots on a roll then my stretch out and cut will be fine (about five and a half feet).

I've to roll's of 5231 to load and 2 rolls of 5222 on order.I just need to 'black out' the room now.
 
Motion picture films, both color negative and B&W, have a lower contrast than still films because the original negative isn't directly used to make the release print. It's got lots of splices in it so it's used to make a positive which in turn is printed onto an internegative. It's that splice free internegative which is used to make the final print. The two extra generations between the original negative and final print both cause an increase in contrast.
 
Al Kaplan said:
Motion picture films, both color negative and B&W, have a lower contrast than still films because the original negative isn't directly used to make the release print. It's got lots of splices in it so it's used to make a positive which in turn is printed onto an internegative. It's that splice free internegative which is used to make the final print. The two extra generations between the original negative and final print both cause an increase in contrast.
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So the negatives should scan very well, am I correct?
 
mgd711 said:
So the negatives should scan very well, am I correct?
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Yes they will scan very well. You will be pleased. Take a look at our XX Flickr page (link below) that is a good indication. All kinds of images there, all XX and +X.

Just reordered 100g of AMIDOL from Artcraft Chemicals in New York state.
http://www.artcraftchemicals.com/ I'm just happy to get going again with PMK Pyro+ :D
 
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I just did 10 rolls of XX - mainly shot at the All British Field Meet - a gathering of 640+ owners of British cars of various vintages.
I processed 5 in HC 110, dilution 1:60 for 11 min and the other 5 in Beutler 1:1:8 for 11 min. The HC 110 works quite well and seems to give close to the 250 speed. The Beutler gives a boost and consistently the negs were about 3/4 stop over. Would work fine with the film rated at 400. I will do another batch today and cut the dilution to 1:1:10 and see if that will give a different look. With Beutler, the grain gets aggressive though - sharp, but "gritty".
Check our Flickr site for samples. Not all are tagged yet, but the rolls numbered F023-F027 are HC 110 and the F018-F022 are with Beutler.
 
The XX works fine in Beutler 1:1:10 for 10 minutes. Gives a true 250 iso and nice mid-tones. Probably a good combo in the sunny days ahead - we hope!
 
Just finished sleeving-up another XX run. Four rolls of XX, plus two 120 rolls, one J&C Classic (Lucky?) and one 120 Foma Classic 200. All processed together, in my Honeywell Nikor eight-reel tank, 15 minutes at 20 degrees C, in PMK Pyro-Plus.

Detail abounds in the negatives, I am really pleased with how this developer works with XX. It does "stain" nicely during the wash cycle, building-up delicate highlight density, mackie lines, etc. With the addition of the Amidol (that's the Plus) the actual filmspeed (getting copious shadow detail!) is about EI 320.

I'm slowly setting up my permanant wet darkroom in my basement, it's been about ten years since I fired it up. This is going to be fun :)
 
mabelsound said:
This film scans better than any other I have used.

I'm running low...the moment of truth is approaching...buying THE BIG ROLL and bulk loading. :eek:
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You really don't need a bulk loader, there's just more chance of scratching, with that. All is need is a 400' foot of XX, a pair of scissors in your back pocket, and some masking tape, and some reloadable film cartridges. I still prefer the Kodak Snap Caps, although you have to be careful with those, if you drop them, they have a tendency to pop open, which will light-streak your XX. :eek::eek::eek:
 
Nokton48 said:
Contact Info:
Kodak Cinema & Television
360 W 31st St
New York, NY 10001

212-631-3400
800-621-FILM


They take VISA. :)
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Thanks a lot. I was considering ordering from film emporium. btw, how do you guys spool the 400ft of film using a bulk loader? will it fit into the loader?
 
naruto said:
Thanks a lot. I was considering ordering from film emporium. btw, how do you guys spool the 400ft of film using a bulk loader? will it fit into the loader?
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They don't use bulk loaders. If you scroll up you will read that they open the can in the dark, measure out an arms length of the film & cut with sissors. Then they tape the end to the spool & start winding. I think Tom A has a youtube demo showing how it's done.
 
I don't use scissors. It's easy enough to tear and the spool doesn't mind the the torn end. When I use Leica cassettes I do the same thing rather than trimming to a point and trying to get it in the slot by feel. Cheap masking tape works just fine.
 
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