oftheherd
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Wow! Those are really nice MXP. Nothing like family togetherness, eh? I hope you get to use all of them. Do you have shots from the left one?
And yes, there were backs for at least one 9x12 camera to use MF. In fact, I think there were versions for both roll fil and cut film.
And yes, there were backs for at least one 9x12 camera to use MF. In fact, I think there were versions for both roll fil and cut film.
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Tape is one way. I guess people with 4x5 holders used to use either the direction of the dark slide locks, facing in or out, as indicators, and there were some wiht dark slides that had a different color/texture on one side that could be used. I don't remember ever seeing double cut film holders, so that isn't a possible solution. My Balda holders have a different and clever way. When I get the chance, I will try to get a closup with my digital and show it.
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MPX - every time I look at your "family" I get even more envious. I have seen that style of 6x9 before. They has to e fun to use.
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It is a bit difficult with test shots......as the frames was overlapped because of the error I did. But by inspecting the frames I could see that the Heliar can make sharp images. I have a half frame here......and a crop of the two people walking in the background. I can't remember where the exact focus was. I think it was much closer than infinity so the two peolpe are not where the image is sharpest......I think......
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It is also a Rada I have for the 6x9....think the name Plaubel is on it also. It could be fun to get a 6x9 back for the 6x12's.
I have a very old 6x9.....without presure plate (Vogtländer rollfilm from 1925). It has a Skopar lens like the lenses in the two other cameras in the "family".
It is also a very sharp lens. I have two test images here and also crops so the sharpness can be inspected. It was hand hold images.
http://www.pbase.com/mxp/voigtlnder_rollfilm_1925
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MPX - that is really impressive! Those big negatives really work well, helped by that lens. I can't wait to get my film developed. I want to take one more photo as I have three cut film backs. I took two at night, and want one with normal daylight to compare with. If I can get close to that sharpness I will be very happy.
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Such a simple thing to take a photograph, but I have been trying to clean things up at work in anticipation of my vacation (which now may now work out due to my wife getting a bad cold, Arrrhhh).
Anyway, here is are cut film holders showing the tabs used for showing if the film is exposed or not. One shows the tab folded down and inside the holder. When you pull the dark slide to expose the photo, the tab, which is spring loaded pops up and is visible. Of course, you could do it the other way around, but that seems more trouble than it is worth, fitting the tab in while in the field. To each his own.
As I mentioned before, usually, with 4x5, tape is used, or different colors/textues on the slide, or the "L" shapped locks. Some also have an area that can be written on, and then erased. Good for type of film as well as if exposed or not. I like the tabs.
Anyway, here is are cut film holders showing the tabs used for showing if the film is exposed or not. One shows the tab folded down and inside the holder. When you pull the dark slide to expose the photo, the tab, which is spring loaded pops up and is visible. Of course, you could do it the other way around, but that seems more trouble than it is worth, fitting the tab in while in the field. To each his own.
As I mentioned before, usually, with 4x5, tape is used, or different colors/textues on the slide, or the "L" shapped locks. Some also have an area that can be written on, and then erased. Good for type of film as well as if exposed or not. I like the tabs.
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Maybe this is the reason: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=140265212552
I wouldn't have expected that price. They must be quite rare.
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Here's mine, a 1937 Zeh Zeca that I bought off ebay some time ago:
It sports a Schneider Kreuznach Radionar, which I believe is a triplet. Came with a few plate holders, and shortly after I found some film sheaths to go in them. Looking through the bargain bins at some camera shows netted a few more holders.
And here's a couple of photos from it:
Wide open:
Stopped down a bit more
It sports a Schneider Kreuznach Radionar, which I believe is a triplet. Came with a few plate holders, and shortly after I found some film sheaths to go in them. Looking through the bargain bins at some camera shows netted a few more holders.
And here's a couple of photos from it:
Wide open:
Stopped down a bit more
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Is it a lever connected to the "finder" to turn it for shoting in horizontal position?
It will be my guess........
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We do have big metal and plastic ones, but none quite like that one in the picture. That was a product of the 7 years we spent in Amsterdam.
The lens does get a but soft out towards the edges, even stoppped down. It's not a problem though, and can be used to good effect. The GG is marked for 6.5x9 plates as well, so I make sure the sharp bits are close to being within that frame, and just let the edges go.
It's for when you flip the little WLF round for landscape view.
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That is a nice looking camera. I'm especially impressed that you were able to find extra holders. I recently purchased a couple from ebay that I hope will work on my Balda or Leca. Those things are getting harder to find.
Really like your photos too. I am just getting into experimenting with mine as 9x12 cameras. I look forward to using mine. I like the idea of those big negatives in a small and very portable camera. Thanks for sharing the camera and the photos.
BTW, how do you find the shutter speed dial and the sutter speed itself?
Really like your photos too. I am just getting into experimenting with mine as 9x12 cameras. I look forward to using mine. I like the idea of those big negatives in a small and very portable camera. Thanks for sharing the camera and the photos.
BTW, how do you find the shutter speed dial and the sutter speed itself?
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Wow, that's neat. And double bellows extension as well. I have also made GG from glass and very fine sandpaper. It works as I guess you know. Now there is a guy on ebay that sells good GG for a good enough price it doesn't make much sense to "grind" your own.
keep checking ebay. The cut film holders keep popping up there from time to time. Just be sure any you buy fit that back. If I don't forget I will check a Welta GG holder I have at home to be sure the more common ones like Kodak and Zeiss will fit. I will post here in this thread when I remember to check. If I forget or get distracted, PM me.
keep checking ebay. The cut film holders keep popping up there from time to time. Just be sure any you buy fit that back. If I don't forget I will check a Welta GG holder I have at home to be sure the more common ones like Kodak and Zeiss will fit. I will post here in this thread when I remember to check. If I forget or get distracted, PM me.
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Well, I see Chippy answered your question on the film pack. As to rust on the cut film holders, I have used what we used to call crokus cloth in the Army (What I have is Norton and has the numbers K624 and 7176). It is a very fine sandpaper. In the military, it was believed that it wouldn't affect the bluing, but would take off rust. Of course, cut film holders are usually painted. I have been lucky that none that I had were all that bad. I guess you could also use Navel Jelly if you have some that are really bad. I haven't had to repaint, and couldn't tell you what kind of paint to use, but I am sure some here at RFF could.
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Great description on the film pack Chippy. Thanks. I hadn't done a film pack in 40 years. I will be doing a couple in the future as I now have a couple of partials that I want to finish using and then develope. I agree tray development is prefered with the thin film pack film.
Also, as I recall, some care is necessary when placing them in the tray to ensure they get thoroughly wet before touching the films already in the tray. They make a terrible sound when pulled apart, and the emulsion usually gets damaged. Trust me, I know. Some people like to use a water tray first, but the same care is necessary.
I didn't get to check all my cut film holders with all my 9x12, but for sure, the one Welta I have fits loosely in the VAG back; so much so it would likely leak light. It actually rattles from side to side. However, it seems to fit well in the Recomar backs. Go figure. I will try to try more this evening and post again.
Also, as I recall, some care is necessary when placing them in the tray to ensure they get thoroughly wet before touching the films already in the tray. They make a terrible sound when pulled apart, and the emulsion usually gets damaged. Trust me, I know. Some people like to use a water tray first, but the same care is necessary.
I didn't get to check all my cut film holders with all my 9x12, but for sure, the one Welta I have fits loosely in the VAG back; so much so it would likely leak light. It actually rattles from side to side. However, it seems to fit well in the Recomar backs. Go figure. I will try to try more this evening and post again.
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Buzzard Kid, PM sent.
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Thanks, I dont mind participating in the forum when people answer or acknowledge each other, it promotes a friendly environment. much too often on this forum people talk past each other as though they arnt there and i have neither the time nor inclination to make the effort to type out an answer for people or participate in a discussion in an atmosphere that is rude and without manners by people speaking past others as though they have said nothing at all! unfortunately that behaviour appears more prevalent on RFF than practically anywhere else, i sometimes wonder why, perhaps photographers are too ...<something>
interesting isnt it! at some point i will have to line all of mine up together and see/measure the exact differences, which i have done before but i didnt document it. because i know on at least some (maybe all, maybe) welta i find voigtlander holders to fit tight/snuggly width wise, their length is usually the main problem. their longer than the Welta holder but usable in a pinch, not the ideal fit as a welta holder bottom is normally flat and a voitlander has the rebated edge on the bottom, that doesnt stop it from working though, but the shoulder at the top of the voigtlander holder is longer, which adds length overall so it sticks above but is still just light tight...but there are some differences depending on year and model of the welta camera..i havnt even got a digital camera of any kind at the present (except my phone and i have never used that LOL, i dont think it hooks up to this poota anyway) so it might take me a while before i can document it all, more film cameras than you can poke a stick at but not one digital..hmm something weird about that eh!
Interesting indeed Chippy. Sorry I hadn't asnwered sooner, but I was out of town at a location where there was no free internet, and $13.00 a day just didn't seem worth it.
You have me thinking maybe I should do what you are doing, even though I wouldn't have nearly as many to show. But I could show how differenct ones fit in different cameras. That might be of some value to others who are looking for a back for their camera. I have Ica, Zeiss, Voightlander, Agfa, and Recomar cameras, and Welta, Kodak, Voightlander, Zeiss, and maybe one or two other brands of cut film backs. Thanks for that idea Chippy.
BTW, I haven't forgotten about sending you the photos I said I would send. Just that when you didn't show up here in the forums for a while, I put it on the back shelf. I'll dust that project off and get them to you. I actually have three for sure, and maybe four different linkages to send you.
I understand your reason for taking a break from here. It can be frustrating sometimes, but I just try to overlook it. Some times I think people just get in a hurry and don't take the time to phrase things better. Anyway, if I have something to say, I do, regardless of others comments.
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Have u seen this thread at APUG?
http://www.apug.org/forums/forum192/51677-9x12-plate-holders-1-a.html
There is a guy named Ian Grant on the plate camera forum that has a lot of info about various plate sizes, he was the one that started the thread. Hope it helps.
Cheers
Gary
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Well, either way, the Welta is yours. 9x12 are a lot less fun if you can't take photos with them.