Show me your 9x12 folder

I don't know who made those dark slides with the flip up tab. I have six Voigtlander holders, numbered 1 through 6, with those dark slides. But I also have several others with that. Like you I also have 4 holders with bad felt. I have purchased the best substitute I have been able to find and will also try to fix those. I also have two 9x12 cut film holders with the solid slider rather that the thin slider. I also have that in one 6x9 as well as a 6x9 120 holder with the thick sides. I have no idea what cameras those fit.

Anyone know?
 
9x12cm Ilford HP5+ arrives from the UK.

9x12cm Ilford HP5+ arrives from the UK.

The Ilford HP5+ 9x12cm arrived this morning. 100 sheets, very expensive stuff !

In the same pix, on the left, four Voigtlander 9x12 holders in the Normalfalz style. Very rough, rusty, need light traps and inserts. But I enjoy restoring this type of thing. It's easy to do.

From the local craft store, I can find nothing that comes close to the original light trapping material. But I did find a double-sided fleece that is the same approximate thickness, so I will try that. I still think the original material was mohair, which is hard to find. Also bought some fabric cement while I was at the craft store, a friend recommended it to attach lighttrapping in holders. Will give it a try, when it warms up 😉
 

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Replaceing the light seals is something I should do with a few of my cassettes!
Found some brand new Rada 9x12cm inserts so I now have 12 inserts for 10 cassetteswhich fit the Bergheil (Normal-Falz) - 10 cassettes which fit the Avus (Millionen-Falz) and 6 cassettes which fit both (Universal-Falz).
Enough cassettes but a few more inserts would be nice - or learning how to coat glass plate by my own.
 
If you have a sheath (insert) for a pattern, the any machinist should be able to easily make you another on a brake. Many sheaths seem interchangable. I have some that need light seals and I have some material I think will work. I need to try it and it it works, post what I did.
 
Nokton48 said:
The Ilford HP5+ 9x12cm arrived this morning. 100 sheets, very expensive stuff !

In the same pix, on the left, four Voigtlander 9x12 holders in the Normalfalz style. Very rough, rusty, need light traps and inserts. But I enjoy restoring this type of thing. It's easy to do.

From the local craft store, I can find nothing that comes close to the original light trapping material. But I did find a double-sided fleece that is the same approximate thickness, so I will try that. I still think the original material was mohair, which is hard to find. Also bought some fabric cement while I was at the craft store, a friend recommended it to attach lighttrapping in holders. Will give it a try, when it warms up 😉
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Looking foward to hear/see how your HP5+ works out.
 
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To process my 9x12cm sheet film, I am going to use a standard 8x10" Unicolor Print Drum, agitating the tank with a Unicolor Uniroller. I took apart a regular generic plastic closepin, ground it down a bit with my bench grinder, and held it together with two small rubber bands. This makes a nice sheet separator that keeps the 9x12cm sheets from "walking over" onto each other, overlapping or sticking together during processing.

I have four exposed test sheets to try out this weekend if I have time.

Shown here are two 9x12cm sheets inside the Unicolor Print Drum.
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Did you get to try that yet? Does having the back of the negative against the inside of the roller make any difference?
 
The four 9x12cm sheets are loaded, and fresh developer is mixed. Hoping to run it this weekend.

I've done this once before with 9x12cm, and the results were just fine. Sort of a poor man's JOBO processor. I've also processed hundreds and hundreds of 4x5" and 8x10" sheets using the Uniroller and Unidrum.
 
Here's my setup for 9x12cm film development.

Here's my setup for 9x12cm film development.

Here's my setup for processing 9x12cm sheet film in the Unicolor Unidrum. I shot this snap while it was developing.

It worked OK. The sheets appear to have stayed separated during developing, but I added a lot of wash water after development, and I think that caused the sheets to "ride over" each other before fixing took place. Not a disaster, I just re-oriented the sheets inside the drum, and quickly re-fixed.

Three of them look great. The fourth has a light leak in the holder (also could be a problem with the camera at the time of exposure, not sure.)

Got something pretty usable from both testing sessions. These old plate holders can be very leaky. 😉 I think wrapping them in a dark cloth for carrying is a good idea. Since the 9x12cm is smaller than the standard 4x5", it may be more problematic to keep them from sliding around inside the drum. Less water in the stop bath step could make a big difference.
 

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Looks good Nokton48. I am thinking of trying that as well. I have only used an adjustable 4x5 tank so far, but also want to try tank developing. I haven't done that in many years, but it worked pretty well. Just not as conserving of chemicals. Hope to see some of your photos.
 
Very nice. I have a Voigtlander Avus with 135/4.5 Skopar Anastigmat. Unfortunately, I don't have either rollfilm back, or sheet film back, so, in order to shoot it, I had to compromise. I have attached Polaroid back to it, and am using Fuji peel apart films in it. FP3000B is discontinued now, so I will have to improvise some more, if I want to shoot B&W in it. I am very pleased with the results.
I will post pictures of a camera itself later.
 
Here we are.

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Crazy Fedya said:
Very nice. I have a Voigtlander Avus with 135/4.5 Skopar Anastigmat. Unfortunately, I don't have either rollfilm back, or sheet film back, so, in order to shoot it, I had to compromise. I have attached Polaroid back to it, and am using Fuji peel apart films in it. FP3000B is discontinued now, so I will have to improvise some more, if I want to shoot B&W in it. I am very pleased with the results.
I will post pictures of a camera itself later.
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I think you could use some of the Russian cut film holders that are being sold, mostly it seems from the Ukraine, which might be a problem for a while. Place a glass in there and a cut film on top. Not convenient, but usable.

Recently on ebay, I spotted this ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/20104195166...AX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_300wt_1362 ). Clever idea. I can't see enough to be sure how it was done, but I am sure it wouldn't be any more difficult than attaching a Polaroid back. EDIT: I meant to add I am considering trying it myself. I have a 6x7 holder that needs a new spring, and even then the top is ugly from someones elses failed attempt at fixing it. That should be a good one for expermentation.
 
oftheherd said:
I think you could use some of the Russian cut film holders that are being sold, mostly it seems from the Ukraine, which might be a problem for a while. Place a glass in there and a cut film on top. Not convenient, but usable.

Recently on ebay, I spotted this ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/20104195166...AX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_300wt_1362 ). Clever idea. I can't see enough to be sure how it was done, but I am sure it wouldn't be any more difficult than attaching a Polaroid back. EDIT: I meant to add I am considering trying it myself. I have a 6x7 holder that needs a new spring, and even then the top is ugly from someones elses failed attempt at fixing it. That should be a good one for expermentation.
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Well, ever since I have attached Polaroid back to Avus, I am not really keen on using anything else on it, while film lasts. I do have a 6.5x9 BeeBee with 120/3.5 Xenar on it, and a 220 back from RB67 waiting to be adapted to it. I think, that will be my next project.
 
Nice cameras and photos here!

In my further quest for 9x12cm sheet film, I have just placed an order to buy:
150 sheets of 9x12cm Wephota Planfilm 100 ASA.
300 sheets of 9x12cm Wephota FO 5 Orthochromatischer Film.

http://www.lumiere-shop.de/index.php?page=product&info=8786

Is anybody here using these films?
Of course, orthochromatic film can be loaded, unloaded, and developed under a red safelight. So, I could tray-process this type of film, which may be a good thing. I also like the tonality and texture-revealing qualities of this type of emulsion.
 
oftheherd said:
I think even the Russian holders might work, but I don't think I have ever seen one sold with film sheath. They can be easily made by machinists, so shouldn't cost too much.
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Yes the Russian holders are working just fine for me. I have five or six good ones, and I just bought these two, from a Ukraine dealer, on the big website. These two look pretty good, and came with inserts 🙂 As you can see, the holder on the left needs new light trapping material. I am making up a pile of holders to go over in the spring, when it warms up in my workshop.
 

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That's amazing Nokton48, the first time I have heard ever of Russian holders with film sheaths. Good catch. I pretty much have all the cut film holders I need in 9x12, and really in 6x9 as well, but I enjoy looking on ebay for that one where somebody has 50 for sale for a BIN of $20.00. 😀 😀
 
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