Skyllaney 50mm f2 Bertele
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CharlesDAMorgan
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Interesting. I wish they'd learn to spell their properly and why label the Zeiss C Sonnar as the Cosina C Sonnar?
James24
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I'm interested. 2021 works for me. 2020 not so good.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
Interesting! The three-element triplet groups look like they could be difficult to manufacture and assemble, especially the rear one. One of those elements looks really fragile.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Good addition for those who has another two dozens of 50ies.
Beemermark
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Yeah I need another 50mm M lens. Or maybe another super duper fast lens like 1.1 or even 0.95. Why does everyone keep reinventing the wheel?
Sarcasm aside, Wish someone could make nice small lenses in LTM like the 35 ELmar or 28 Summaron. I could use them on all my Leica’s.
Sarcasm aside, Wish someone could make nice small lenses in LTM like the 35 ELmar or 28 Summaron. I could use them on all my Leica’s.
Huss
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A 40mm 2.8 collapsible elmarit would be cool.
Something tiny and unique.
Something tiny and unique.
Orthogonal
Established
It does fill a niche. I can't think of another compact 50mm sonnar with modern coatings, so I'm interested if the price is right. This is what I was hoping 7 Artisans to come out with, maybe they still will.
I really do wish these new lens companies would hire actual graphic designers though.
I really do wish these new lens companies would hire actual graphic designers though.
Huss
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Zeiss ZM 50 1.5 Sonnar.
Larry Cloetta
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Yep.......
Larry Cloetta
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Take a look at a few of the photos over on Zeiss Contax month. I still do not think that "modern Coatings" are going to make a any where near as much difference on this particular lens design as they would on most others, for most shots, for most of the time. Would think that most people who had a nice, unblemished, CLA'd Zeiss Opton Sonnar from the 50's would agree. Maybe not.
I'd think the main appeal of this lens, if they even have the slightest idea of how to grind the glass correctly in their what appears to be little shop, is the fact that most of the nice, original compact 50mm Sonnars are all in Contax Rangefinder mounts, so having this in a Leica M mount might be nice, if it was decently manufactured, and affordable, both of which are open to doubt at this point.
As someone else said, the world is awash with nice 50's, why not make a better, modern, perfectly executed version of something exceptional and unusual: W-Nikkor C 25mm f/4. Maybe somebody could make a modern Topogon that's less expensive than the Leica 28mm version.
I'd think the main appeal of this lens, if they even have the slightest idea of how to grind the glass correctly in their what appears to be little shop, is the fact that most of the nice, original compact 50mm Sonnars are all in Contax Rangefinder mounts, so having this in a Leica M mount might be nice, if it was decently manufactured, and affordable, both of which are open to doubt at this point.
As someone else said, the world is awash with nice 50's, why not make a better, modern, perfectly executed version of something exceptional and unusual: W-Nikkor C 25mm f/4. Maybe somebody could make a modern Topogon that's less expensive than the Leica 28mm version.
Orthogonal
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Yeah, I'm aware of the Zeiss but I'm put off by the price and size/weight. My ideal size for a 50 is something like the Voigtlander 50 2.5 or 40mm 1.4.
hap
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Ditto
Miyazaki has right idea, but keeps putting out M mounts. Perars would work for me.
Huss
Veteran
It is made by Cosina, but it seems that this is an attempt to belittle/insult the lens by not calling it a Zeiss.
I think it is designed by Zeiss.
rfaspen
[insert pithy phrase here]
Always exciting and encouraging to see more M-mount lenses being made. It has been whirlwind lately with so many lenses from so many lens-makers. I think it helps support the future M-mount cameras. Funny how we are seeing so many lenses, but very few cameras in M mount. Leica remains the only source for the bodies...and yes I remember the flurry of optimism we would have an alternative to the Leica offerings for a digital rangefinder (hey! where is that Konost?). Clearly never happened. We had the Epson RD-1 and .....? The Sony A7 is nice and all as a full frame body equivalent, but its not native M-mount and obviously misses the aesthetic.
Oh well, I wish I were more financially independent: Apart from Zeiss and Leica, tempting lenses from 7-artisans, the new Chinese 8-element 35 replica, all the great new lenses from Cosina/Voigtlander, the quizzical TT-artisans, we had the Iberit lenses, a lens or two from Lomo, quite a few from MS-Optical, I've seen pictures of the Meyer Optik Trioplan mounted on an M10, new Laowa wides for M-mount, and there's a Zenit 35/1.0 out there now - and more Zenits rumored soon.
So many lenses! Who/what others am I missing?
Oh well, I wish I were more financially independent: Apart from Zeiss and Leica, tempting lenses from 7-artisans, the new Chinese 8-element 35 replica, all the great new lenses from Cosina/Voigtlander, the quizzical TT-artisans, we had the Iberit lenses, a lens or two from Lomo, quite a few from MS-Optical, I've seen pictures of the Meyer Optik Trioplan mounted on an M10, new Laowa wides for M-mount, and there's a Zenit 35/1.0 out there now - and more Zenits rumored soon.
So many lenses! Who/what others am I missing?
Larry Cloetta
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A not so subtle attempt.
It’s the kind of thing you see coming from companies who are a still a mite insecure. World beaters don’t have the need to use that kind of marketing, they succeed on the merits of their own products, and I hope that ends up being the case here, eventually.
Huss
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Yeah, the thing is the buying public adore that lens! So it does not seem a good idea to do that, just smacks of an inferiority complex.
You want a new mfg to succeed, but coming out of the gate throwing veiled insults, well, good luck to them.
Yokosuka Mike
Abstract Clarity
I wish that Skyllaney would make a reasonably priced digital M-mount camera to go with their lens.
All the best,
Mike
All the best,
Mike
Noserider
Christiaan Phleger
I do find it a very interesting lens, and as the esteemed BSweeny has stated what this lens copies is one of the more difficult lenses to find in a clean and useful mount.
I can see the value of doing this lens especially at the start; the twin cemented triplets are undoubtably easier to make these days and for less money and of higher quality glass and coatings certainly. With modern close tolerance small scale manufacturing the mount is not a difficult challenge.
In the 'original recipe' the glass types are not too far out from what could be considered 'common' glass types used industry; it wasn't until really just post war did the more rarer and definitely now regulated exotic glass types start to get incorporated into design. This means that this Bertele can be 'true' to the original.
Just the addition of a modern multi coating to the remaining 6 surfaces would be a noticeable improvement in flare contrast and transmission. So it has that going for it.
As it is true with every successful consumer optic, what the design patent information is in theory is balanced to what ending up actually getting made by that manufacturer in time. Allowances are made, tolerances are altered, designs tweaked to get that production lens to perform well in the customers hands. I believe just the general improvements in optical design and manufacturing would make it a pretty achievable target for this lens to be a very good performer. Certainly I feel the choice of lens makes it appealing just from a rarity perspective; remember that many of our RF groups' fondest lens designs originated from the f/2 Sonnar. If the price is good it will sell well. It will be interesting to see if a Taylor-Hobson Xenon is being considered...
I can see the value of doing this lens especially at the start; the twin cemented triplets are undoubtably easier to make these days and for less money and of higher quality glass and coatings certainly. With modern close tolerance small scale manufacturing the mount is not a difficult challenge.
In the 'original recipe' the glass types are not too far out from what could be considered 'common' glass types used industry; it wasn't until really just post war did the more rarer and definitely now regulated exotic glass types start to get incorporated into design. This means that this Bertele can be 'true' to the original.
Just the addition of a modern multi coating to the remaining 6 surfaces would be a noticeable improvement in flare contrast and transmission. So it has that going for it.
As it is true with every successful consumer optic, what the design patent information is in theory is balanced to what ending up actually getting made by that manufacturer in time. Allowances are made, tolerances are altered, designs tweaked to get that production lens to perform well in the customers hands. I believe just the general improvements in optical design and manufacturing would make it a pretty achievable target for this lens to be a very good performer. Certainly I feel the choice of lens makes it appealing just from a rarity perspective; remember that many of our RF groups' fondest lens designs originated from the f/2 Sonnar. If the price is good it will sell well. It will be interesting to see if a Taylor-Hobson Xenon is being considered...
Huss
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M240 is now hovering around the $2K mark. That is a crazy deal. (Used )
So much for retaining value..
